I like this and wish I saw more of it

[BoatSquirrel]

 

[DitchPanda]

I just watched that video like ten minutes ago. This happens when your a bank fisherman too..not exclusive to being in a boat.

[Bird]

Wow, he'd struggle in VA trying to be elusive. Lol

[Tennessee Boy]

I certainly agree with the importance of being polite on the water.  I enjoy finding fish almost as much as I enjoy catching fish so relying on someone else to find my spots is allowing them to have all the fun.  I will say this. When I'm on the water,  I try to be very observant.  I watch for bait fish.  I watch the birds.  I'm not going to ignore other fishermen.  If I see a boat setting on a spot all day,  I will remember it.  I'm not going to move up on them to mark the spot or try to see what they're throwing but I will remember.  That spot does not become off limits to me because I saw someone fishing it.

[Heartland]

I listened to the first 10 minutes and had no idea what point it is your trying to make.  

[Tennessee Boy]

25 minutes ago, Heartland said:

I listened to the first 10 minutes and had no idea what point it is your trying to make.  

I think the point in the video is that each angler should act as if they are the only boat on the water and should figure out how to catch fish on their own.   He's saying it's bad sportsmanship to try to learn through observation while on the water.

[Heartland]

26 minutes ago, Tennessee Boy said:

I think the point in the video is that each angler should act as if they are the only boat on the water and should figure out how to catch fish on their own.   He's saying it's bad sportsmanship to try to learn through observation while on the water.

Bad sportsmanship seems like it would apply to those in a competition.  This just seems like another version of the same old argument that "He is fishing my spots".    Good luck with that.

[Finessegenics]

I personally don't believe it's bad sportsmanship to observe other anglers. As long as you're not encroaching on anyone's space while they're fishing or blowing up the spot online. And even if it is unsportsmanlike, there's a bigger problem in my opinion. If you need to imitate other guys patterns and "milk runs", you're already at a huge disadvantage. 

[Big Hands]

That all sounds great, but on the other hand, doesn't he put videos on YT that others (potentially thousands of other fisherman) can use to find those great fishing spots that others may have wished wouldn't be exploited in such a way?

[Guitarfish]

I just wonder why everybody is a YouTube expert.  I just turn them off as soon as they say 'me' a couple times.

[Teal]

I understand what he was trying to say, but he was going in circles... so after 10 minutes I just cut it off

[Hower08]

As soon as I seen it was a Todd castledine video I turned it off. Something about that guy I feel like a 2 year old trying to focus watching his video. From reading through the comments I gathered he was complaining about someone watching where and probably what he was catching fish on. 

 

   Come on who hasn't done that and stuck it in their back pocket for later use? These "pros" need to get off the high horse they rode in on 

[WRB]

I stared using sonar (flashers) in the early 60's followed by paper graphs in the early 70's. What does this have to do with the video topic...everything.

Fishing "secret" offshore structure spots you become a magnet to boats passing by. You almost see the wheels turning, what is he doing out there? Boats react by slowing down, sometimes stopping to watch. If I caught a bass some boaters move closer and start fishing.

Over the decades the sonar units have improved by adding GPS mapping that allow instant way points where you are fishing on outside structure elements. Today boaters slow down and make way point, make a U turn and add a second way point without getting too close they know where you are fishing. 

I watched the video and was thinking this guy is paranoid that someone will find he "secret" spots by promoting some thought that it's unsporting behavior if someone comes close to him where he is fishing. Only his close group of buddies can know. 

Over 50 years of structure fishing and I have never witnessed a bass boat go by without looking at me, everyone takes notice, not everyone stops.

Tom

[TnRiver46]

I can’t see far enough to tell if another boat is catching anything.....

[Logan S]

I listened to the whole thing.  I sympathize with him since pretty much everyone has dealt with it at some point, I'm sure him being a pro with wrapped boat really exaggerates it for him too, it's amazing how glued people get to a wrapped boat on the water.  Whenever one is out on the river or bay, literally everyone I run into comments on it..."Did you see that Berkeley boat?  I saw him in front of Chickamuxin..."  They don't have a clue who the person is or why their boat is wrapped, but it's location is accounted for nearly all day ?.

 

I know some guys that freely admit they drive around looking for the flotilla of bass boats because, "that must be where the fish are."  I can't imagine having that mentality, but so many people do and think nothing of it.

 

I think he's a little overboard on how hard he tries to ignore others on the water.  I get it, he's going out of his way not to be seen as 'that guy' that does the bent pole thing....But anyone that matters to him (friends, other tour anglers, etc) will all know he's not like that, so who cares what the random others out there think?  Nice sentiment, but maybe some unneeded stress on him?

[Armtx77]

I think I told the story of fishing with a local Pro/Guide and his phantom hook sets and phantom fish fights, all the way up to the high fives in the back of the boat.

 

That was all done to keep the "passer bys" thinking there were fish in a area, he knew only carp and catfish frequented.

 

I do a lot of fishing in my Yak, that guys can't or don't want to get their $30k+ boat into. I time the tides and get into some SWEET holes back in the marsh. I have seen guys sit 30ft away and shadow me as I catch Reds, even seen them try to blow water on a shallow spot and than ride the wave into a spot.

 

If you think you have some honey hole all to yourself, you are either on a remote spot or just fooling yourself. When Speck fishing, if I see Gulls diving into the water, you can bet I'm fishing that spot. If I see a guy pounding a spot, breaking heads and hurting lips. I GPS mark it and come back...I NEVER fish on top of those people, but I will surely come back another day.

 

Claiming you did it all by yourself, when you used TECH to find undetwater structure is nonsense, because without the tech you would have never found it. TECH is another tool, I got a 600.00 set up on my YAK and it helps me catch fish.

 

I will gladly tell you where I caught them, doesnt mean I am going to tell you what on, what depth or the weather conditions. Structures hold fish PERIOD and they will always hold fish DEPENDING on CONDITIONS. Getting fired up that others figured it out, is silly.

[Logan S]

1 hour ago, Armtx77 said:

Claiming you did it all by yourself, when you used TECH to find undetwater structure is nonsense, because without the tech you would have never found it.

I'll disagree with this (respectfully of course)....Before SI/DI existed and before GPS was common I found plenty of offshore cover and structure with 2D sonar and paper maps.  I would also argue that using your technology to it's fullest potential is another developed skill, plenty of people out there with thousands of dollars worth of graphs but can barely use them beyond seeing how deep the water is.  

 

Waypointing someone's spot and rationalizing it as "I could have found it too if I had his gear," is a big assumption...IMO this line of thought is basically the same as copying the answers on a test from someone because, "I could know this too If I studied/prepared for it."  Maybe you would, but in both cases - You didn't.  

[Teal]

I agree that skill in the electronics is a skill and in its own.  You are right, I know a lot of people with 3 grand in electronics and basically only know how to tell the depth and use the main map.  My 10 year old has caught on to it wayyyyy faster than I have and I've had.my current electronics since he was a year old.  Knowing how to use and interpret that equipment to its fullest is a skill that most of us did not naturally have. So yes, if not using the tech, I would have found stuff by hearing about it, see others on the spot, and hanging a few lures in it till I figured it out... 

[Armtx77]

1 hour ago, Logan S said:

I'll disagree with this (respectfully of course)....Before SI/DI existed and before GPS was common I found plenty of offshore cover and structure with 2D sonar and paper maps.  I would also argue that using your technology to it's fullest potential is another developed skill, plenty of people out there with thousands of dollars worth of graphs but can barely use them beyond seeing how deep the water is.  

 

Waypointing someone's spot and rationalizing it as "I could have found it too if I had his gear," is a big assumption...IMO this line of thought is basically the same as copying the answers on a test from someone because, "I could know this too If I studied/prepared for it."  Maybe you would, but in both cases - You didn't.  

I take no offense to your disagreement.

 

Would you rather I politely waited until they left what may or may not be structure and than kicked my Yak over there and scanned with my own gear?

 

What if there was no structure there and they just found some fish on the move? I made mention that I dont fish the spot, but come back another time.

 

Is my ability to discern people catching fish in open water and waypointing that area for further research, not using the most powerful tool known to man...Observation? 

 

IF it were not for TECH...Sonar, 2D and every underwater map made in the past 60 years. You would have to drag lures or weights across an open body water. You dont randomly troll weights around in open water, looking for structures, right? Of course not, you uses Hummingbird or some such thing and when it beeps, dings, chines...etc, you investigate further...you power of observation, has been amped up underwater or you see some one catching fish and triangulate using natural/man-made markers.

 

All today's tech did, was make Sonar and 2D obsolete(ish)...paper maps are what they are. If you have bodies of water that go unchanged for the most part, they are a wealth of info, especially when paired with today's TECH.

 

I will respectfully stand by statement, that with out TECH, these structures go unfound. Your point of using Sonar, 2D and Maps only further illustrates this point. As each of those is direct TECH or unable to be made without TECH. I will concede maps from man made lakes, may not have had much tech in order to make maps.

 

 

 

 

[Logan S]

@Armtx77 Can't argue with any of your points on observation...It's a powerful tool.  

 

 

[roadwarrior]

Hmm...

 

I share ALL my information with everyone.  On big water there is always similar cover and structure.

 

 

Clue #1

If you want to target the next World Record smallmouth, fish below Pickwick Dam.

On the other hand, if 4 and five pounders are your goal. fish below Wilson and you

might catch 25lbs (5 fish) on any given day. 

[RichF]

I actually kind of agree with Todd.  I have always taken pride on being able to find fish on my own, without any kind of help or advice.  It just makes the game sweeter for me.  Now that doesn't mean I haven't or won't ask guys about bodies of water I'm unfamiliar with (depth, bait, grass, etc), I just don't ask how they're catching them.  

 

 

 

 

[TnRiver46]

41 minutes ago, roadwarrior said:

Hmm...

 

I share ALL my information with everyone.  On big water there is always similar cover and structure.

 

 

Clue #1

If you want to target the next World Record smallmouth, fish below Pickwick Dam.

On the other hand, if 4 and five pounders are your goal. fish below Wilson and you

might catch 25lbs (5 fish) on any given day. 

Well...... Let's go fishing!!!! 

[galyonj]

33 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

Well...... Let's go fishing!!!! 

I wanna go!

[RoLo]

 

Reminds me of a dog chasing its tail.

 

Even in the Atlantic ocean, after you boat a few fish, a fleet will begin to form (Binoculars are ubiquitous).

My wife & I often abandoned a fleet we initiated, because finding fish is my favorite part of angling.

 

Roger