Out of line ?

[slonezp]

16 minutes ago, Guitarfish said:

Our local lake 'recommends' catch and release, but does not enforce.  The only type of fishermen I see are the boat load type with bait.  They are ruining it for sport angling.

I have nothing against harvesting fish within regulations. I will be vague and just call people bucketheads. Those who do not follow regulations and harvest everything they catch. Their "culture" does not necessarily believe in American regulations. Some cultures depend on fish to feed their families. These same people immigrate to America and old habits are hard to break. There are people are harvesting fish to serve in their restaurants...just ask them. Extremely illegal and difficult to enforce.

 

 

 

[Teal]

I think you did the right thing, as long as you were polite and explained to them why you were asking them to keep a lid on it.  

[Guitarfish]

I think it all started years ago.  I was fishing the edge of SF Bay, when I stumbled on some kind of bird struggling just under the surface.  It had been tied up to drown.  The group nearby got some severe grief as I cut the lines.  They were fishing hand lines and raking little fish into buckets.

 

And in the delta I watched another group filling buckets with stripers they had caught. Then they would load them all into one vehicle trunk.  They would leave and be back an hour later.  I reported it but not sure if there was anything done.

 

So I guess bucketheads could be apropos.  It won't be getting better sadly.

[slonezp]

6 minutes ago, Guitarfish said:

I think it all started years ago.  I was fishing the edge of SF Bay, when I stumbled on some kind of bird struggling just under the surface.  It had been tied up to drown.  The group nearby got some severe grief as I cut the lines.  They were fishing hand lines and raking little fish into buckets.

 

And in the delta I watched another group filling buckets with stripers they had caught. Then they would load them all into one vehicle trunk.  They would leave and be back an hour later.  I reported it but not sure if there was anything done.

 

So I guess bucketheads could be apropos.  It won't be getting better sadly.

I've seen the trunk thing during the salmon spawn on Lake Michigan. 

[Bluebasser86]

A lot of my fishing pictures are starting to look like this one from this morning. If someone can ID where I am from this picture, more power to them.

[Bird]

7 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said:

A lot of my fishing pictures are starting to look like this one from this morning. If someone can ID where I am from this picture, more power to them.

You may have a unique skill set but we will find you.

[Craig P]

I’ll go against the grain on this one and it has nothing to do with fishing. You’ve just become one of those people on the internet trying to coerce someone into doing something differently based off of your personal beliefs.  I don’t know the context of your message to the individual, you could have been as nice and respectful as the day is long ...... as well as I am trying to do the same but you did ask for a response, I assume the recipient of your message did not by your post. 

[YoTone]

its his right isnt it? unless you gave him this spot and asked him not to share its a free country.

[slonezp]

1 hour ago, YoTone said:

its his right isnt it? unless you gave him this spot and asked him not to share its a free country.

It is absolutely his right to post. I did not tell him not to post. I asked him if he would not post such positive reports. I get it, we all like to brag and boast about out fishing outings. Some people are ignorant to the fact that others don't care about their fisheries. We think that every fisherman practices catch and release or follow creel limits. This is not the case. I live in a major metropolitan area. A melting pot of races and hundreds of thousands of immigrants. Let me be clear that this thread is not about race, it's about culture. Some cultures as well as poverty believe it is acceptable to hoard for sustenance. Everyone reading this has seen this happen first hand over the past 6 weeks. If you've done it all your life because the country or class you came from put restrictions on essentials needed in daily life you become accustomed to hoarding and rationing for survival. It's instinct.

Again, I say this is not a huge fishery. 300 acres at best. It could get wiped out quickly and take years to replenish.

[Allen Der]

I know and fish the lake you are talking about.  I don't think it's really a secret, it's one of only the only local lakes that has public access.  But yeah I agree the pics of walleyes will definitely attract some meat eaters.  The forest preserve lakes get a lot more pressure and I catch nice fish out of them.

[slonezp]

Got a response. He's all good and said he had second thoughts about it after he posted. 

[Dogface]

On 5/5/2020 at 12:33 AM, slonezp said:

Sent a message to a guy on a local forum to not post reports on a great fishery. Worried the buckethesds could decimate the small lake.

Was I out of line?

Nope!  I thought the opposite until a few years ago. I shared spots and techniques with everyone. One day a guy on another forum wanted to fish a place I was familiar with. I gave him specific spots and techniques. About week later he posts a photo of a picnic table completely covered with 2 to 3 pound dead SMs. A lot of guys responded to the post asking why he killed so many fish. He replied he and his buddies needed them to eat. That was BS. The area is loaded with resturants. There was no reason to kill those fish. 

 

I have not given out any info since then because people have no respect for the resource. 

[RoLo]

 

WHO CARES ABOUT THE POPULAR VOTE

 

 

 

 

 

I don’t believe that you nor the other fellow were 'out-of-line', but it's obvious that you share different opinions. The other fellow places more emphasis on informing fellow anglers than he places on sheltering a vulnerable waterbody 

(I plead guilty). Be that as it may, I don’t view this as the difference between Right & Wrong, but simply a difference in personal opinion.

 

Now then...will interjecting your own personal opinion make any difference?  Probably not.

 

Roger

[ArthurLK11]

You weren't wrong for the principle behind what you said. You might've been wrong in how you said it though.

[Gator_Bait]

On 5/5/2020 at 7:25 AM, Armtx77 said:

My fishing mentor growing up was a local guide and this reminds me of when people who ask how many we caught when we were putting the boat in t he trailer:

' it was pretty bad out there'  

''We caught 3-4 dinks under "12"

'River is too high or too low"

 

My favorite is when he would ghost a Hooksett, drop to one knee, stick the pole into the water about half way and proceed to land a fish that was not there. He would even come to the back of the boat and high 5 me.

 

I never tell them how many or where I caught them. Both involve hard work and time...why give it up?

I lived in Baton Rouge several years and fished a ton of bayou between there and where you live. But you could never find a lot of the places someone told you about because all the old farts called it different names...lol. I think there are at least a dozen places referred to as "Bayou Black" lol. And forget trying to find a spot in the Atchafalaya other than the I-10 bridge...and that's about 18 miles long !

[soflabasser]

Throughout the years I have shared many good fishing spots to those who asked but I am careful to not give spots that cannot take a large amount of people fishing it. It is understandable to keep these sensitive waters under the radar but you should not tell another person to not share his reports if he wants to. A lot of people post Youtube videos of what they catch so that is a another way to find out good places to fish.

[Gator_Bait]

On 5/5/2020 at 8:46 AM, NYWayfarer said:

I read the title and thought @slonezp was out of mono, braid, co-poly and fluorocarbon...

 

And no you were not out of line. Especially now. It seems everyone realizes fishing is a social distance sport. My spots are crawling with people who are tired of staying at home.

You got that right! Up here you could walk across the lake on the boats and not even get your feet wet! Most ramps you can't find a place to park your trailer, and have to wait in line to launch or recover your boat. 

 

Normally retirement is a wonderful thing. But, I hope all these people go back to work soon...so I can fish in peace!

[Armtx77]

1 hour ago, Gator_Bait said:

I lived in Baton Rouge several years and fished a ton of bayou between there and where you live. But you could never find a lot of the places someone told you about because all the old farts called it different names...lol. I think there are at least a dozen places referred to as "Bayou Black" lol. And forget trying to find a spot in the Atchafalaya other than the I-10 bridge...and that's about 18 miles long !

I actually grew up on the Upper Mississippi Rock Island IL.

 

A lot of good bass fishing here in SE LA and you are absolutely right; 5 people, will call the same bayou, 7 different names. I pull out my phone, bring up Google maps and have them point to it.

[OCdockskipper]

On 5/5/2020 at 4:25 AM, Armtx77 said:

My fishing mentor growing up was a local guide and this reminds me of when people who ask how many we caught when we were putting the boat in t he trailer:

' it was pretty bad out there'  

''We caught 3-4 dinks under "12"

'River is too high or too low"

I fish on a lake surrounded by houses, so there is no way to hide.  Luckily, 99% of the homes are inhabited by people who don't fish much, if at all.  Since they see me all the time, the two questions I typically get are "Any luck?" and "Are there any big ones in here?"  I found I can be truthful and respond "I've caught a few bass" (over 25 does count as a few, no?) and "There are alot of catfish & carp over 10 lbs in here".  The latter answered is followed by some truthful tips how to catch those two species.

 

This allows me to be honest, help them catch some big fish, clear out some predators that compete with the bass all the while not revealing what a bass factory they are residing on.

[Bird]

1 hour ago, Gator_Bait said:

 

 

Normally retirement is a wonderful thing. But, I hope all these people go back to work soon...so I can fish in peace!

Same issue here as this is my 1st full year of retirement. 

 

Went yesterday " Thursday "on 178 acre lake and betting 50 boats, trucks parked in the grass.

 

Every cove I entered in search of spawning fish, I got leap frogged. Lol

[OCdockskipper]

On 5/5/2020 at 8:55 PM, Bluebasser86 said:

... If someone can ID where I am from this picture, more power to them.

 

I am fairly sure that is just south of Lake Menderchuck...

 

 

 

On 5/6/2020 at 4:48 PM, slonezp said:

... Some cultures as well as poverty believe it is acceptable to hoard for sustenance...

 

Again, I say this is not a huge fishery. 300 acres at best. It could get wiped out quickly and take years to replenish.

It is not limited to small fisheries.

 

My wife's grandfather used to catch albacore off of the piers of the Southern California beaches in the 1940's & 50's.  By the mid 1980's, these same piers were packed with folks who not only kept everything they caught, they would cause run-ins with the surfers.  Now, the only way you can catch any wanted species from the ocean is to get on a boat & go halfway to Catalina (or further).

 

You are absolutely correct it is about culture.