Braid/Mono/Florocarbon

[Josh254]

Greetings all, I just started using braid and was wondering if the pound per test is congruent to different type of line. So I'm using 65 lb. test braid spider wire stealth, would that be congruent to 15 lb. test mono or floro??

 

 

I only ask because my braid snapped in half while casting my fish finder from the bank and had to get in the water to get it back; made me want to swear off fishing together I was so angry. 

[NJBasstard]

If your knot didn't fail then theirs a good chance the line was damaged somehow. No way 65lb test should break on a cast. The diameter might be 15lb but the breaking strength is 65lb or higher with a good knot.

[Jsmith1990]

32 minutes ago, Josh254 said:

Greetings all, I just started using braid and was wondering if the pound per test is congruent to different type of line. So I'm using 65 lb. test braid spider wire stealth, would that be congruent to 15 lb. test mono or floro??

 

 

I only ask because my braid snapped in half while casting my fish finder from the bank and had to get in the water to get it back; made me want to swear off fishing together I was so angry. 

65 lbs braid could pull a 10 pound bass out of thick vegetation. You most likely had your knot break or the line was damaged. 

[Hammer 4]

How much does your fish finder weigh and what knot did you use..???

 

Also, did you make an overhand cast..?

[MassYak85]

Did you backlash? 65lb braid is strong stuff but with no shock resistance a sudden stop can still break it. And definitely check for any wear. 

[Josh254]

59 minutes ago, Hammer 4 said:

How much does your fish finder weigh and what knot did you use..???

 

Also, did you make an overhand cast..?

It is the deeper pro fish finder. The knot I used was the standard bass lure knot, knot sure what it's called (pun intended) lol. The cast was overhand cast.

29 minutes ago, MassYak85 said:

Did you backlash? 65lb braid is strong stuff but with no shock resistance a sudden stop can still break it. And definitely check for any wear. 

Yes it was a harsh backlash after it snapped. Possible I cast it too hard?

[MassYak85]

20 minutes ago, Josh254 said:

It is the deeper pro fish finder. The knot I used was the standard bass lure knot, knot sure what it's called (pun intended) lol. The cast was overhand cast.

Yes it was a harsh backlash after it snapped. Possible I cast it too hard?

Okay that's your culprit right there. You could use 100lb braid and still face that issue. The Deeper weighs about 2 1/2 ounces if I recall correctly and ideally should be thrown on a light swimbait rod but if you're throwing it on conventional gear you gotta take it really easy on your casts. It's gotta be a very gentle cast or you'll overload your rod and the cast won't be smooth and might cause more backlashes. Make sure to set the brakes on your reel too. 

[Josh254]

37 minutes ago, MassYak85 said:

Okay that's your culprit right there. You could use 100lb braid and still face that issue. The Deeper weighs about 2 1/2 ounces if I recall correctly and ideally should be thrown on a light swimbait rod but if you're throwing it on conventional gear you gotta take it really easy on your casts. It's gotta be a very gentle cast or you'll overload your rod and the cast won't be smooth and might cause more backlashes. Make sure to set the brakes on your reel too. 

Aahhhh ok ok. I'll switch rods and cast lighter, for some reason I feel like bait casters can/should be cast far for some reason idk why but in the words of crazy taxi.....lets give it another go.

 

Thank you much gentleman, happy casting, happy fishing. I'm so ready to correct my mistakes and catch fish.

[Ogandrews]

Most likely the knot. You have to tie knots in braid a little different, I always go through the eye of the bait twice and then tie on. It also could be faulty line, spider wire isn’t the best line in the world. If it were my rod I’d replace it with power pro maxcuatro or suffix 832

[JediAmoeba]

The deeper tie offs are kind of sharp.  On s backlash it would easily cut the braid... I use a musky rod and 80 pound test for lobbing it out.

[Josh254]

1 hour ago, Ogandrews said:

Most likely the knot. You have to tie knots in braid a little different, I always go through the eye of the bait twice and then tie on. It also could be faulty line, spider wire isn’t the best line in the world. If it were my rod I’d replace it with power pro maxcuatro or suffix 83

Well to be honest the knot was still tied one the fish finder but about 35 yards of line came with it when it snapped.

[Ogandrews]

33 minutes ago, Josh254 said:

Well to be honest the knot was still tied one the fish finder but about 35 yards of line came with it when it snapped.

Must just be a bad spool of line or there’s a little knick in one of your guides that’s making it weaker. I would still strongly tying knots in braid like I said, i haven’t ever had a knot fail once I started doing it that way. And I would still recommend getting some better line.

[Josh254]

1 hour ago, Ogandrews said:

Must just be a bad spool of line or there’s a little knick in one of your guides that’s making it weaker. I would still strongly tying knots in braid like I said, i haven’t ever had a knot fail once I started doing it that way. And I would still recommend getting some better line.

Do they make plastic guide shields to protect line from getting knicked by cracked guides by any chance?

[Hammer 4]

3 minutes ago, Josh254 said:

Do they make plastic guide shields to protect line from getting knicked by cracked guides by any chance?

Not that I'm aware of. Usually you either replace the rod, or have a good tackle shop replace the guide.

[Ogandrews]

6 hours ago, Josh254 said:

Do they make plastic guide shields to protect line from getting knicked by cracked guides by any chance?

One way to test it is to take a q tip and rub it along the inside of the guides. If there is a knick than a little bit will stick to the guide

[Tywithay]

Has nothing to do with knots or line guides. Braid has very high tensile strength, but very little shock resistance due to the lack of stretch. If it came to a dead stop after a backlash on a hard cast, it will snap every time with that much weight. I was fishing a local spillway with a 6oz lead when that happened to me once. I'm pretty sure it's still in orbit.

[MassYak85]

2 hours ago, Tywithay said:

Has nothing to do with knots or line guides. Braid has very high tensile strength, but very little shock resistance due to the lack of stretch. If it came to a dead stop after a backlash on a hard cast, it will snap every time with that much weight. I was fishing a local spillway with a 6oz lead when that happened to me once, I'm pretty sure it's still in orbit.

This this this. The cut and dry solution unfortunately is just "don't backlash". 

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

Do you have a spinning combo to use instead of the baitcaster?

 

[Ogandrews]

5 hours ago, Tywithay said:

Has nothing to do with knots or line guides. Braid has very high tensile strength, but very little shock resistance due to the lack of stretch. If it came to a dead stop after a backlash on a hard cast, it will snap every time with that much weight. I was fishing a local spillway with a 6oz lead when that happened to me once. I'm pretty sure it's still in orbit.

Yes backlashes can break line but I have backlashed super badly before with 10-20oz baits while musky fishing and it will only happen once in a great while. If your back lashing and it’s happening regularly that a 2 oz bait snaps 65lbs braid than there is another contributing factor 

[Tywithay]

9 minutes ago, Ogandrews said:

Yes backlashes can break line but I have backlashed super badly before with 10-20oz baits while musky fishing and it will only happen once in a great while. If your back lashing and it’s happening regularly that a 2 oz bait snaps 65lbs braid than there is another contributing factor 

From what I gathered, it only appeared to happen once. Not regularly. 

[Ogandrews]

16 minutes ago, Tywithay said:

From what I gathered, it only appeared to happen once. Not regularly. 

Yea your right I thought it said twice, still though there had to be something else with only 2 ounces. That other thing could easily be spider wire not being good line and just being a lot more shock sensitive than what I use though.

[MassYak85]

Idk I've snapped 65lb backlashing a flipping weight. It really doesn't take much if the backlash is bad enough. Granted if you are doing more of a lob cast it really shouldn't break. It's when you're trying to really get distance out of your cast I find it's an issue.