Is my new line twisted, have bad memory, or bad?

[basser27]

5 minutes ago, PhishLI said:

Hahahaha. It is, sort of. But I run 12,15,and 20 on some of my baitcasters, and it's fine. I'm not doing slack line techniques much, that's true, but it's been fine for moving baits and it's very strong.

If Sufix Advance was as inexpensive per foot as Big Game I'd never look back, but it's not.

I guess I’m doing it all wrong fishing jigs and Texas rigs on big game ?. I’ve been wanting to try sufix advance, but am hesitant due to issues I’ve had with their braid. 

[PhishLI]

1 minute ago, basser27 said:

I guess I’m doing it all wrong fishing jigs and Texas rigs on big game

Nah, I just have no choice but to use braid with jigs where I fish or I'll lose them constantly. I can uproot a pad stem with 15lb Big Game right now, but once they become more fibrous and deeply rooted they'll eat jigs tied to 15lb.

8 minutes ago, basser27 said:

I’ve been wanting to try sufix advance, but am hesitant due to issues I’ve had with their braid. 

I've had no problems with it. 8,10, 12.

[K1500]

I have had this happen with a batch of Trilene XL. Have used it in the past for a number of years with no problem and then a pair of spools from the same lot were just awful. 

[cals400ex]

1 hour ago, Fishes in trees said:

Big game line is poop.  Trilene XL ain't much better.   Skimping on line quality has always struck me as silly and short sighted.  Buy good line.

While this may be the case, many people really like Big Game. Also, many compare Trilene XL to Sufix Elite. I don’t know one way or the other,  I’m just surprised to read so many contradicting statements. 

3 hours ago, WRB said:

Very popular line, .011D for 10 lb, Super Natural 10 lb for comparrison is .010 D, less memory with higher abrasion resistance then XL and less expensive.

The OP is using 10 lb XT, .012 D with higher memory.

Tom

Just to be clear, I’ve never used XT. I have used, and just purchased more XL, to replace the big game. 

3 hours ago, MickD said:

Seems funny that with all the talk I hear on this forum about "bad batches" of line, I've never had one, and I'm old enough to have bought one heck of a lot of line.  I think line problems, other than problems with trying to make an inappropriate line work, are problems with loading the line onto the reel, or cracked guides, or twisting it, but it's not about a bad batch of line.  IMHO

 

It may not be a bad batch of line. I was just confused why the line feels rough right out of the package (prior to touching my rod or reel). The last spool of Trilene XL that I purchased 10+ years ago felt smooth to the touch, from what I can remember. 

[Tim Kelly]

4 hours ago, WRB said:

Yes, off the top for baitcasting reels and off the bottom for spinning reels.

Tom

That's my preferred method too. 

 

The unevenness is just a result of the line not being "precision wound" onto the spool at the factory, so it lays on top of the layers of line below and distorts them. I don't think it has any real effect on the line and it's more noticeable on stiffer lines. Most japanese monos a precision wound and I think Sufix lines are too. Probably more brands I don't know about. 

[Catt]

5 hours ago, basser27 said:

I guess I’m doing it all wrong fishing jigs and Texas rigs on big game ?. I’ve been wanting to try sufix advance, but am hesitant due to issues I’ve had with their braid. 

 

The problem with Sufix is poor abrasion resistance & shock absorption.

 

[Log Catcher]

3 hours ago, Catt said:

 

The problem with Sufix is poor abrasion resistance & shock absorption.

 

I have to disagree with you on this. I have not tried Sufix Advance. I have used Sufix Siege for years on baitcasters and spinning setups. I have never had a problem with it. 

[Fishes in trees]

The jury is still out on what brand of mono I like, I generally buy a different brand each time I need some, and Big Game and Trilene XL & XT are the only ones I don't consider.  A few years ago I got a few 300 years spools of 17 & 20 lb Suffix (siege I think ) and that is what I'm currently using.  Previous to that I tried Spider wire mono and it worked ok.  Berkley used to make a line called Iron Silk that I thought was a great square bill & chatter bait line, 

 it seemed indestructible to me.  As an experiment once, I dedicated a crankbait (Timber Tiger DC4) and  wondered how long would the knot last.   Throwing in bushes and sunken thorn trees, over 5 trips I caught around 40 slot fish (between 12" & 15") before I discontinued the experiment.   Knot never did break but, from the knot to 10 feet up the line there were many nicks and scuffs, it seemed like continuing the experiment was just asking for it.  The line had some extreme memory issues, had to treat it with KVD line treatment, and start the day out soft, i.e the first dozen casts or so shouldn't be very far 20 to 40 feet or very hard.   Once the line got wet and stretched a little casting range returned to normal.

These days I only use mono for lipless cranks & square bills.   Currently I'm using 15 lb Yozuri for spinnerbaits & chatter baits ( previously I used 17 lb mono.  Currently for deeper diving crank, ( like a Timber Tiger DC16  or DC 13), I'm using 14 lb Fireline on spinning gear.   I like the extra distance I get with the thinner line, so far the Fire Line has been abrasion resistant enough - jury is still out though.

 

I try not to be a line bigot, but years ago I got burned several times buy Big Game & Trilene and never again.   I wouldn't even use that line to hang pictures with.

 

This originally started as a 10 lb line of spinning gear thread.  To the original poster - don't do that.

If you're gong to throw mono of spinning gear, buy a better grade of mono & don't go over 8.  

 

 

[WRB]

8 hours ago, Tim Kelly said:

That's my preferred method too. 

 

The unevenness is just a result of the line not being "precision wound" onto the spool at the factory, so it lays on top of the layers of line below and distorts them. I don't think it has any real effect on the line and it's more noticeable on stiffer lines. Most japanese monos a precision wound and I think Sufix lines are too. Probably more brands I don't know about. 

I understand why a mfr would precision wind lay the line on individual filler spools to prevent cold flow pressure deforming the line. Large commercial bulk spools 6,000 yards where line is stored on for long time periods are not always precision wound.

The fact no reel precision winds line onto it's spool negates any useful advantage after it's on the reel longer then 24 hours do to cold flow pressure.

Bottom line precision wound spools are a good marketing tool, looks good so it must be good.

Cheers,

Tom

[Catt]

1 hour ago, Log Catcher said:

I have to disagree with you on this. I have not tried Sufix Advance. I have used Sufix Siege for years on baitcasters and spinning setups. I have never had a problem with it. 

 

But have you used Big Game?

 

I've used both Advance & Siege, when a bass had me around "wood" I could not apply the same pressure as I can with Big Game without breaking off.

 

I will say anything below 15# in Big Game does not exhibit the same characteristics. 

[Finessegenics]

13 hours ago, MickD said:

Seems funny that with all the talk I hear on this forum about "bad batches" of line, I've never had one, and I'm old enough to have bought one heck of a lot of line.  I think line problems, other than problems with trying to make an inappropriate line work, are problems with loading the line onto the reel, or cracked guides, or twisting it, but it's not about a bad batch of line.  IMHO

 

I agree with you. I see the same when reading reviews about various lines on TW. It's mind boggling to me how every single line has so many negative reviews. Makes me wonder if people are just using them with improper equipment or tying bad knots. I just ordered some yo-zuri braid and fluoro which had reviews on both extremes so we'll see how that goes. 

[WRB]

Keep searching for the panacea line.

knots fail for several reasons usually operator error or FC line. How often did we discuse knot failures prior to fluorocarbon line? The fact that 90% of anglers used the improved clinch knot with mono line, the other 10 % were starting to use the Palomar knot in the early 90's. 

The fact is FC is responsible for more knots being introduced to fresh water anglers the past decade the past century for all other line types combined. Add FC line being used as leaders for braid doubles the potential for knot failures.

Anyway this thread is about how mono feels uneven coming off the spool. Deformation felt is simply cold flow every time the line crosses over itself when stored on the filler spool or your reel. Flat spots weaken the line by reducing the diameter, it's called notch strength in plastics. 

Long enough topic,

Tom

[JustJames]

On 4/18/2020 at 6:32 PM, WRB said:

Yes, off the top for baitcasting reels and off the bottom for spinning reels.

Tom

Thank you, I’m gotta try your method off the bottom. I did it with off the top and not very happy with it. 

 

On 4/18/2020 at 6:32 PM, WRB said:

Yes, off the top for baitcasting reels and off the bottom for spinning reels.

Tom

[MickD]

5 hours ago, Finessegenics said:

I agree with you. I see the same when reading reviews about various lines on TW. It's mind boggling to me how every single line has so many negative reviews. Makes me wonder if people are just using them with improper equipment or tying bad knots. I just ordered some yo-zuri braid and fluoro which had reviews on both extremes so we'll see how that goes. 

I doubt if Yozuri will disappoint.  It is one of the most respected companies.  The most likely possibility will be the flouro won't work that well.  Not because it's a bad spool, but because it is flouro.  I've given up using flouro for line, exc for one combo.  I use it for leaders a lot, though.

 

[Finessegenics]

31 minutes ago, MickD said:

I doubt if Yozuri will disappoint.  It is one of the most respected companies.  The most likely possibility will be the flouro won't work that well.  Not because it's a bad spool, but because it is flouro.  I've given up using flouro for line, exc for one combo.  I use it for leaders a lot, though.

 

I bought a 200yd 8# spool for leaders on my spinning rods. Been using stren fluoro as a mainline on my baitcasters and its surprisingly good. I just cant seem to get into braid for my casting setups, the line always digs into itself.

[MickD]

Use no lighter than about 30 pound test braid on the caster, don't set your drag too tightly, no problems.

[Log Catcher]

8 hours ago, Catt said:

 

But have you used Big Game?

 

I've used both Advance & Siege, when a bass had me around "wood" I could not apply the same pressure as I can with Big Game without breaking off.

 

I will say anything below 15# in Big Game does not exhibit the same characteristics. 

I have not tried Big Game line. Once I find something that works for me I tend to stay with it instead of trying different lines. 12# is the heaviest line I use. We can continue this discussion on another thread. WE need to help the OP with his problems.