Line choices for Daiwa Alphas Air Stream Custom

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I just purchased one of these a few days back along with a Major Craft Troutino 4'10" for the purpose of fishing panfish and stream trout.  This is my first finesse baitcaster and I'm kind of at a loss of which line to run.  I'm not averse to mono, braid, copoly, or fluorocarbon, I'd have no trouble running any of them.  So far, I've been looking at 10lb Sufix 832, 4lb FC Sniper, 4lb P-Line CX, and good old fashioned Trilene XL.  I'm sure there are better options out there that I'm missing so I'm hoping the crowd here can steer me in the right direction.  Casting distance is not a concern as this setup will be used in smaller brush choked streams and dock duties at the marinas that dot the Detroit River and Lake St Clair.  

[roadwarrior]

Tatsu #6

 

[JediAmoeba]

I stay away from Fluoro due to weak knots.  With line that thin you dont have any room for error.  I found fireline in 8# or gliss in 10# gave the best performance on a BFS setup.  

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4 minutes ago, JediAmoeba said:

I stay away from Fluoro due to weak knots.  With line that thin you dont have any room for error.  I found fireline in 8# or gliss in 10# gave the best performance on a BFS setup.  

Are you using any leader material?  

[JediAmoeba]

Just now, redmeansdistortion said:

Are you using any leader material?  

Not at all.  These lines are so thin and casting distance is the goal, so I stay away from a knot going through the guides that would decrease distance.  

[FryDog62]

33 minutes ago, JediAmoeba said:

I stay away from Fluoro due to weak knots.  With line that thin you dont have any room for error.  I found fireline in 8# or gliss in 10# gave the best performance on a BFS setup.  

I have a few BFS set ups myself... had always thought of trying Gliss but reviews were many times negative towards breakage, tensile strength.  How much have you used Gliss and has it held up well?  Any other positives/negatives you’ve found?  

[Sam]

Either 6 or 8 pound test, maximum, tied directly to your bait.

 

Gliss is fine to use. 

 

The most important thing to do is to "balance" your rod, reel, line, and bait weight.

 

This is what you do every time you change baits on all of your baitcasters:

1.  Read rod's line test and bait weight parameters and stay in between them.

2.  Rig baitcaster as you are ready to make your first cast via spool knob tension and drag setting.

3.  Set the magnets in an X position if possible.

4.  Point rod tip to 11 o'clock and release spool.

5.  Let line fall slowly to the floor using the spool tension knob to speed up or slow down the fall. Do this a few times to adjust the rate of fall.

6.  When bait hits floor and the spool stops with no line coming off of it, you are ready to cast and not worry about a backlash.

7.  Do this when you change all baits on your baitcasting setup.

8.  You will get a backlash if you hit something while casting, like a tree branch, boat windshield, motor, other guy in boat, etc.

9.  Adjust spool with its tension knob to get a longer or shorter cast.

 

To obtain the maximum rod line performance, take the high and low line test, add together, divide by two, round off to nearest test and you are ready to rock and roll.

 

 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Sam said:

Either 6 or 8 pound test, maximum, tied directly to your bait.

 

Gliss is fine to use. 

 

The most important thing to do is to "balance" your rod, reel, line, and bait weight.

 

This is what you do every time you change baits on all of your baitcasters:

1.  Read rod's line test and bait weight parameters and stay in between them.

2.  Rig baitcaster as you are ready to make your first cast via spool knob tension and drag setting.

3.  Set the magnets in an X position if possible.

4.  Point rod tip to 11 o'clock and release spool.

5.  Let line fall slowly to the floor using the spool tension knob to speed up or slow down the fall. Do this a few times to adjust the rate of fall.

6.  When bait hits floor and the spool stops with no line coming off of it, you are ready to cast and not worry about a backlash.

7.  Do this when you change all baits on your baitcasting setup.

8.  You will get a backlash if you hit something while casting, like a tree branch, boat windshield, motor, other guy in boat, etc.

9.  Adjust spool with its tension knob to get a longer or shorter cast.

 

To obtain the maximum rod line performance, take the high and low line test, add together, divide by two, round off to nearest test and you are ready to rock and roll.

 

 

 

 

I'm very familiar with the mechanics of a baitcaster and how to set one up after using them for 30 years.  I just asked what type of line to use with a finesse baitcaster, that's all.  So far I'm leaning towards something from 0.17mm to 0.2mm in diameter.  The spool doesn't hold much line, but my casts will largely be inside of 30ft or so.  Remember, this is for fishing around docks and brush choked streams where shorter more accurate casts will be needed.  A lot of those streams I fish aren't more than 15 or 20ft across with lots of brush on the banks.

[JediAmoeba]

42 minutes ago, FryDog62 said:

I have a few BFS set ups myself... had always thought of trying Gliss but reviews were many times negative towards breakage, tensile strength.  How much have you used Gliss and has it held up well?  Any other positives/negatives you’ve found?  

I got a bunch of it on clearance at wal mart last year.  I also read the negative reviews but tried it anyway and so far, as long as you check the line for abrasion it is pretty fantastic.

[JustJames]

I use Gliss#24, Sufix 832 #8, PP and PP super slick#8/10.

My top favorite.

Sufix 832 8lb for it sensitivity and sink rate, good abrasions, doesn’t make big bowl in water and quiet.

Gliss #24 I like it for its sensitivity, it cut through water better than #8 PP. I have connections with my lure at all time. The problem as a lot mentioned, frayed easily, no abrasions resistance.

PP and PP super slick, I don’t like it much  buoyancy is to much but they are good abrasions and connection knot (double uni). I landed 2 of 7lb catfish on this line while fishing for crappie.

This year I have Finns windtamer #6 to replace the one on Gliss(like it but no more)

Check out flemarket I’m selling Seaguar Finesse FC 5.2lb and Nanofil 8lb.

 

[fishwizzard]

On my trout-casting set up I either use 6 pound J-braid or 4 pound mono. The braid cast better and is much more forgiving during the inevitable overruns, but it’s too frustrating to deal with any kind of wind both in terms of line management and tying knots. On windy days I switch out to the thin mono. 

[WRB]

Maxima Ultra Green 4 lb /.007D and 5 lb /.008D is highly abrasion resistant, strong 100% knot strength. I use 5 lb UG for my finesse bass fishing.

Fins braid, 10 lb is .007D.

Tom

[WRB]

1 hour ago, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

I use Gliss#24, Sufix 832 #8, PP and PP super slick#8/10.

My top favorite.

Sufix 832 8lb for it sensitivity and sink rate, good abrasions, doesn’t make big bowl in water and quiet.

Gliss #24 I like it for its sensitivity, it cut through water better than #8 PP. I have connections with my lure at all time. The problem as a lot mentioned, frayed easily, no abrasions resistance.

PP and PP super slick, I don’t like it much  buoyancy is to much but they are good abrasions and connection knot (double uni). I landed 2 of 7lb catfish on this line while fishing for crappie.

This year I have Finns windtamer #6 to replace the one on Gliss(like it but no more)

Check out flemarket I’m selling Seaguar Finesse FC 5.2lb and Nanofil 8lb.

 

You didn't like Fins?

Tom

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17 minutes ago, WRB said:

Maxima Ultra Green 4 lb /.007D and 5 lb /.008D is highly abrasion resistant, strong 100% knot strength. I use 5 lb UG for my finesse bass fishing.

Fins braid, 10 lb is .007D.

Tom

That sounds like a winner.  You're right that stuff is very abrasion resistant, I run it on my steelhead float rods.  God knows how many logjams I was able to see my way out of with that stuff.  Since this setup will see the same conditions, I think this is a great choice.  Thank you very much for the recommendation.

[JustJames]

20 minutes ago, WRB said:

You didn't like Fins?

Tom

Tom, because a lot of your mention, I got both 4lb for spinning and 6lb for my baitcaster. I haven’t spool up with the 6lb yet and sold Legalis 1000 with 4lb after using it only a few outings. I cannot give a true opinion yet. If I remembered correctly, windtamer #4 is pretty soft, quiet and smooth (2nd to Gliss as long as braid concern).