Copolymer--opinions?

[plawren53202]

Until this past year I was always a mono user.  No reason other than that's what I had always used, and just hadn't been exposed to fluoro or braid.

 

As I really worked to expand my bass fishing arsenal this past year, I started using fluoro.  I really like the low stretch factor, I really like how solid it feels when setting the hook compared to mono.  However, coming from using some good quality monos, I'm not really a fan of how fluoro feels.  To me it feels a little wiry and brittle, and seems like line memory and coiling off the spool is worse than good monos I had used in the past.

 

So that's got me wondering about copolymer.  How does it compare to good mono and good fluoro with respect to (a) stretch and (b) feel/line memory?  It has me wondering if I should give it a try.

 

I know some may also say braid.  I just don't think I'm ready to take that leap yet.  For one thing, I don't get really excited about using a leader.  I have quite a bit of flyfishing experience, and by far my least favorite part of flyfishing is tying a leader to the fly line.

 

Thanks for any input on this!

[garroyo130]

8 years ago I bought a spool of 8lb test smoke colored Yo Zuri Hybrid because it was on closeout at Sports Authority for $2.50.

 

I know use Yo Zuri Hybrid almost exclusively. Whenever possible i prefer the smoke color but its not always easy to find. 

 

Yo Zuri will stretch but makes stuff like Big Game feel like a rubberband. Feel on it is good and any memory it may have is quickly fixed by spraying it down with KVD line and lure. I would definitely recommend giving it a try but be careful as not all copolys are created equal. I myself tried several of the P Line products and found them to be fairly stiff despite sometimes lower diameter than Yo Zuri. 

[OnthePotomac]

I only have copolymer on one of my bait caster reels and I may be  brain dead, but I do not see any difference in it and the mono on some of my other reels.  All the same weight..14lb.

[jbmaine]

solid YO ZURI Hybrid ultra soft user for many years. Love the line, will never change.

[ChrisD46]

59 minutes ago, garroyo130 said:

8 years ago I bought a spool of 8lb test smoke colored Yo Zuri Hybrid because it was on closeout at Sports Authority for $2.50.

 

I know use Yo Zuri Hybrid almost exclusively. Whenever possible i prefer the smoke color but its not always easy to find. 

 

Yo Zuri will stretch but makes stuff like Big Game feel like a rubberband. Feel on it is good and any memory it may have is quickly fixed by spraying it down with KVD line and lure. I would definitely recommend giving it a try but be careful as not all copolys are created equal. I myself tried several of the P Line products and found them to be fairly stiff despite sometimes lower diameter than Yo Zuri. 

+1 on YZH co-pol line … In harsh , abrasive conditions I also like #12 lb. to #17 lb. P-Line CX-X co-poly line .

[BoatSquirrel]

YoZuri Hybrid has quite a bit of memory.  When you decide to venture back into fluoro, check out Seaguar Invizx.  The best fluoro line I have ever used and consistently highly regarded by BR contributors.

[dodgeguy]

Try Sufix Advance Mono. It's the lowest stretch mono avaliable. It's awesome line.

[new2BC4bass]

Trey, what fluoro are you using to get the low stretch?  Not all fluoro is equal.  Check out TackleTour's fluorocarbon showdown part 1.  The picture showing how fluoro frays when stretched to a breaking point is exactly how the fluoro I bought looked.  Had to cut off an extra 2-3 feet.  Then read the fluorocarbon showdown part 2 to find out how much fluoro stretches.  Some fluoros stretched worse than the Trilene XL they used for a base comparison.  BTW, XL will stretch more than some monos.

 

I am constantly amazed at the number of people that say fluorocarbon has no stretch.  Apparently they have never snagged it bad enough that they had to break it.  That will change your mind in a hurry.

 

I've read what dodeguy said before.  Also a friend of mine (ex-tournament fisherman) told me when Spiderwire Ultracast Ultimate Monofilament first came out that it was the best mono he had ever used.  Had some memory so he didn't use over 8# on a spinning reel.

[LonnieP]

I use McCoy Copoly on my moving bait setups and really like it. Low stretch, strong and very low memory. Best casting line I've ever used. As far as Fluorocarbon line, I use it on my bottom contact reels and after trying a bunch of them I settled with P-line Tactical. Fairly limp,yet strong and casts like mono.

[GReb]

6 minutes ago, LonnieP said:

I use McCoy Copoly on my moving bait setups and really like it. Low stretch, strong and very low memory. Best casting line I've ever used. As far as Fluorocarbon line, I use it on my bottom contact reels and after trying a bunch of them I settled with P-line Tactical. Fairly limp,yet strong and casts like mono.

I use McCoy Mean Green on several setups. It’s a blend of nylon and copolymers. Great line for the cost. I do want to try the suffix advance at some point but I have enough Mean Green to last at least another year

[WRB]

Yo-Zuri tried to distinguish thier Hybrid line as not being a copolymer line, it's a co-extruded hybrid line. P-Line Fluoro Clear is also a co-extruded hybrid line, meaning it has a monofilament core with a Fluorocarbon jacket extruded over the core.

Copolymer is 2 polymers blended or mixed together to improve performance.

TW doesn't have a separate category for co-extruded line, there is only 2 availble.

Evaluate line by diameter and the memory issues tend to disappear.

.010 to .011 diameter mono/coploymer/co-extruded line is about the maximum 1000 to 3000 size spinning reels can handle before memory issues show up. 

Tom

 

[swhit140]

I just use Lo-Vis Green Stren mono on 2 of my rods for crankbaits & lipless baits. Other than that I have braid on my other rods.

 

[Junger]

4 minutes ago, WRB said:

Yo-Zuri tried to distinguish thier Hybrid line as not being a copolymer line, it's a co-extruded hybrid line. P-Line Fluoro Clear is also a co-extruded hybrid line, meaning it has a monofilament core with a Fluorocarbon jacket extruded over the core.

Copolymer is 2 polymers blended or mixed together to improve performance.

TW doesn't have a separate category for co-extruded line, there is only 2 availble.

Evaluate line by diameter and the memory issues tend to disappear.

.010 to .011 diameter mono/coploymer/co-extruded line is about the maximum 10000 to 3000 size spinning reels can handle before memory issues show up. 

Tom

 

Do you have this cut and paste somewhere? I think you may be the expert on YHB vs other copolymer lines.

[garroyo130]

52 minutes ago, WRB said:

Yo-Zuri tried to distinguish thier Hybrid line as not being a copolymer line, it's a co-extruded hybrid line. P-Line Fluoro Clear is also a co-extruded hybrid line, meaning it has a monofilament core with a Fluorocarbon jacket extruded over the core.

Copolymer is 2 polymers blended or mixed together to improve performance.

TW doesn't have a separate category for co-extruded line, there is only 2 availble.

Evaluate line by diameter and the memory issues tend to disappear.

.010 to .011 diameter mono/coploymer/co-extruded line is about the maximum 10000 to 3000 size spinning reels can handle before memory issues show up. 

Tom

 

[Steveo-1969]

What brand/model mono have you used? What brand/model fluoro have you used? What pound test? Are you using spinning or casting rods? I think we need more info before we can understand what you've experienced and make educated suggestions.

[garroyo130]

1 hour ago, Steveo-1969 said:

I think we need more info before we can understand what you've experienced and make educated suggestions.

Whats the fun in that???

 

Lets just biasedly cheer on our personal favorites and bash any other options that exist!

 

YO ZURI HYBRID!

 

EVERYTHING ELSE WILL SPOOK FISH, BREAK WHEN YOU TIE A KNOT, AND MELT ONTO YOUR SPOOL AFTER 2 WEEKS

[roadwarrior]

I have been a HUGE fan of Yo-Zuri Hybrid for decades, but now I have switched to Seaguar Tatsu.

 

 

[basser27]

Just keep using mono

[PourMyOwn]

I've said it here before, but I must have gotten a bad spool of Yozuri Hybrid. I couldn't believe how well received it was here. 

 

I'm a lifelong user of Silver Thread Copoly, which is sadly discontinued.  When I run out, I'll switch to McCoy, which I also like. 

 

[MN Fisher]

I'm also a fan of YZH, but it's not the end-all/be-all of lines. Tried Flourocarbon...hated it. So of ten rigs, 4 are YZH, 3 are braid and 3 are mono - all based on the type of lures I'll be using the rigs for. This is up from 2 of 6 rigs last year. I've liked it for the applications I use it for, but if it's not your thing...so be it.

 

I also use KVD L&L without fail on anything not-braid...yes, even the mono...really makes a difference in the memory issue.

[basser27]

33 minutes ago, PourMyOwn said:

I've said it here before, but I must have gotten a bad spool of Yozuri Hybrid. I couldn't believe how well received it was here. 

 

I'm a lifelong user of Silver Thread Copoly, which is sadly discontinued.  When I run out, I'll switch to McCoy, which I also like. 

 

How does McCoy compare to trilene xl? I’ve been a huge fan of trilene XL for years on my spinning reels in 6-8lb test but it does lack abrasion resistance ever since they changed it years back. It’s softer but more prone to nicks on the line , especially the 6lb.

[Michigander]

I put the P-Line copolymer on my jerk bait rod for a year or so. Stretches like crazy but my hook up to land ratio was fantastic, they couldn't shake the hooks with that much stretch in the line. Main problem was it had no sensitivity. I could tell that I had a fish on but there wasn't much difference in feel between a 10" bass and a 25" pike. Was kind of fun because it was always a surprise if it was a fish or weeds, and if a fish, then what kind and how big.

[DitchPanda]

I use mono on my shallow crank rod and my popper rod...braid on my frog rod...everything else is 12 or 15lb izorline xxx copolymer...I feel it has a good balance of mono and fluoro qualities but it could just be in my head! At any rate I've had good luck with it and therefore I have a lot of confidence in it

[Bluebasser86]

Grand Slam Hi-SEAS. Found a bunch at WalMart on clearance for $2 a spool and wish I'd have bought all of it.

[OG Crankster]

McCoy MeanGreen has been a home run for me.  You should seriously give it a try.