Daiwa Tatula SV Spool Concerns/Questions...???

[ITO_ZILLION]

Debating on getting a Daiwa Tatula. Specifically the new one that just came out...the 2020 Daiwa Tatula SV TW 103. I have mostly older model Daiwa reels and some Shimano. I have no experience what so ever with the SV spools. It seems like Daiwa's SV Spool has much less line capacity than the average non SV reel. Also it seems like its more geared towards lighter lures and finesse applications. With that being said...

 

1. Even though it seems like the SV spool is geared towards finesse/light applications...Eventually can it handle heavy applications as well like flipping, pitching and frogging with braided lines...?

 

2. What is the max lure weight a SV spool can handle without completely dumping the whole spool on a very long cast...? With such a shallow spool, I am pretty sure I can dump the whole spool on a very long cast. I like fishing heavy baits, usually 1/2 oz and up (fish swimbaits a lot). I am pretty sure a lure over 1oz or heavier could potentially dump the spool completely on a very long cast. 

 

3. Is the SV spool supposed to make skipping a lot easier...? I have never skipped baits before and have always wanted to start practicing and perfecting the skipping technique. I was hoping the SV reels could make skipping a lot easier. 

 

4. Is the SV spool supposed to make pitching a lot easier...? I am a shallow water technique kind of guy and I love flipping and pitching. Seems like the lighter SV spool would mean a faster initial startup on the cast leading to farther and more efficient pitching/flipping casts.

 

I am hoping there is a die hard Daiwa fanboy in here who is very technical and knows reel technologies to help make my decision a lot easier. 

[Tim Kelly]

I expect you could dump a spool of heavy line on a long cast, probably not an ideal reel for that sort of thing a 300 size would be more appropriate. An SV spool makes controlling the reel when skipping a bit easier, but you still have to have good technique to cast without backlashes. Shimanos or anything else will skip perfectly if you do your part, but the SV spools are more forgiving. Pitching doesn't usually matter much about braking systems, so any reel will do a good job if it's set to run loose. 

[FryDog62]

Line capacity on the new Tatula SV TW is 100 yards with 14 lb line, I suppose you could exceed that somehow but I don’t think many people can.  I think KVD is regarded as one of the longer casting distance guys on the tour and think he maxes out around 70-75 yards.  
 

I like the SV spool in part BECAUSE of less line capacity.  This way I don’t have a lot of extra wasted line - or I don’t need to tie the extra backing on.

 

And the other advantages of the SV spool make it a top choice for me.  I use them for everything from skipping light lures (Steez and Alphas) to bombing long distance 3/4 oz Structure Heads or Chatterbaits (Zillion), as well as Tatulas on my Frog and Flippin’ rods.  
 

They SV spools are not magic, but with a little adjusting, they are definitely more forgiving and I spend very little time digging out lashes for any of the above applications.  Love my Curado 70’s too, but why skip or throw ultra light lures with that when I have SV spools? 

[Revival]

1 hour ago, BaitFinesse said:

They're great.  Skipping is effortless and can skip baits only skippable on spinning tackle before (light ned rigs, weightless finesse worms).  

What is your brake and tension knob setting when skipping?

[Bluebasser86]

On 4/9/2020 at 9:30 PM, ITO_ZILLION said:

Debating on getting a Daiwa Tatula. Specifically the new one that just came out...the 2020 Daiwa Tatula SV TW 103. I have mostly older model Daiwa reels and some Shimano. I have no experience what so ever with the SV spools. It seems like Daiwa's SV Spool has much less line capacity than the average non SV reel. Also it seems like its more geared towards lighter lures and finesse applications. With that being said...

 

1. Even though it seems like the SV spool is geared towards finesse/light applications...Eventually can it handle heavy applications as well like flipping, pitching and frogging with braided lines...?

*Disclaimer-mine are not the 2020 SV's but the last model.

I use them for all sorts of applications from casting baits to flipping plastics with 65lb braid.

On 4/9/2020 at 9:30 PM, ITO_ZILLION said:

 

2. What is the max lure weight a SV spool can handle without completely dumping the whole spool on a very long cast...? With such a shallow spool, I am pretty sure I can dump the whole spool on a very long cast. I like fishing heavy baits, usually 1/2 oz and up (fish swimbaits a lot). I am pretty sure a lure over 1oz or heavier could potentially dump the spool completely on a very long cast. 

I use one on my spinnerbait rod and was fishing a 3/4oz (head weight) plus a 3.8 sizmic grub, skirt, #6 and #8 colorado blades, and trailer hook, probably close to if not over 1oz, no issues whatsoever. 15lb copolymer on the reel.

 

On 4/9/2020 at 9:30 PM, ITO_ZILLION said:

 

3. Is the SV spool supposed to make skipping a lot easier...? I have never skipped baits before and have always wanted to start practicing and perfecting the skipping technique. I was hoping the SV reels could make skipping a lot easier. 

Best skipping reel I've ever owned. I'm pretty decent at skipping, but these reels make it way easier.

On 4/9/2020 at 9:30 PM, ITO_ZILLION said:

 

4. Is the SV spool supposed to make pitching a lot easier...? I am a shallow water technique kind of guy and I love flipping and pitching. Seems like the lighter SV spool would mean a faster initial startup on the cast leading to farther and more efficient pitching/flipping casts.

Not sure it makes pitching easier, but I'd say I'm more accurate with my SV reels than my other reels because the line comes off smoother/faster without worrying about backlashing.

[waymont]

Those Daiwa Tatula SV TW reels are incredible (both the older ones and the new ones). Don't worry about it, they perfrom well from light to heavy stuff without issue.

[Boomstick]

I have three older Tatula SVs and will likely pick up probably two more later in the year or maybe on this year's Black Friday specials. While I currently have 12#, 15# and 17# fluorocarbon on each so I'm obviously not using them for the heaviest of applications, I don't see any reason why you couldn't use them for heavy applications. If you manage to spool them, that's an impressive cast. They should hold something minimally 80 yards of normal width 65lb braid (depending on Diawa's definition of 16lb line diameter).

 

The way you generally use these reels is you set the tension control knob to the point where the reel just stops clicking with the button pressed and that spot works for most lures, occasionally when throwing heavier lures I might tighten it a little bit, but that's the only time I touch it aside from when I'm threading line through the guides on a rod. I will generally set the braand the brakes set between 6 and 10 depending on the rod and weight of the lure I'm throwing, but for skipping you just turn the brake up to 20 and it controls for you.

 

As far as pitching goes it's a good reel to pitch with but I can pitch almost equally well on most reels, so it's not like it has the same effect on pitching as it does on skipping..

[Revival]

12 hours ago, BaitFinesse said:

Tension knob never gets touched.  Set to a tiny bit of side to side play and leave it.  Mag brake set to maximum.

Cool thanks.  I never have anyplace that I really need to skip so I never really tried it.

[fishwizzard]

13 hours ago, BaitFinesse said:

Just try skipping that wack senko the next time you are tossing one in shallow water. I'm a believer that it makes the bait enter the water in a way that is not only less likely to spook fish but to draw their attention to the bait.

And the occasional time when the plastic rips free of the hook mid-skip is a really good test of how well you’ve trained your thumb.

[ITO_ZILLION]

Kind of confused...Is the SV spool simply an 'upgraded' spool that has a lighter/stronger aluminum compared to Daiwa's average/lower tier spools...?

 

Or is it a 'combination' of BOTH a lighter/stronger aluminum and an 'upgraded' braking component/system compared to to their traditional Magforce V/Z...?

[ITO_ZILLION]

On a side note...I am also debating on getting some new Shimano reels also. What is Shimano's counterpart spool tech/system that would be analogous to Daiwa's SV spool...?

 

I understand Shimano has MGL or Magnumlite spools and they also have DC or 'digital control' spools/system. From my research and understanding...The MGL is a lighter upgraded aluminum spool whereas the DC is an actual computer that is inside the reel that helps apply braking pressure to eliminate backlashes and maximize casting distance. 

 

1. Is the SV system/tech comparable to Shimano's DC system/tech...? Or are the 2 systems 'different' schools of thought and therefore you would have to just try them both out to see which one you like or prefer more...?

 

2. Does Shimano 'combine' both the MGL and DC techs together for an even better spool/upgrade...? Which Shimano reel models sport both MGL and DC together...?

[PhishLI]

4 hours ago, ITO_ZILLION said:

1. Is the SV system/tech comparable to Shimano's DC system/tech...? Or are the 2 systems 'different' schools of thought and therefore you would have to just try them both out to see which one you like or prefer more...?

The tech is different. DC is an active feedback loop system that alters the magnetic force (control) in real time to preset parameters.

 

The SV system, while it has moving parts, is passive and is calibrated mechanically. Think of it as a calibrated passive mechanical system.  It's similar in some respects to a mechanical governor found in some small gasoline engines. The upside, if you're into tinkering, is that there're options available in the aftermarket to tune SV spools to your liking if you're so inclined.

 

Personally, I stick to short range fishing with my Tatula SV. That's where it's strength lies and that's where it's best used, IMO.