Lots of sudden failures on Alberto knot

[papajoe222]

I've found that wrapping the leader line around the braid prevents this,but I don't use that knot any more.

Here is a very simple and quick to tie leader knot

 

[Ogandrews]

It could be line burn or the knot not being perfectly tied, but one other thing I would consider is using mono as a leader. Fc100 is incredible leader material with some stretch which doesn’t have quite as many issues as normal floro but mono still takes a leader knot better than floro does. There’s a lot of options out there for mono and some are super low stretch like suffix advanced mono. There aren’t really any lures I use floro for now unless I’m around toothy fish than I will go to a little bit heavier floro, like 14lbs floro instead of 12lbs mono. I think that the stretch from mono and that it takes a knot better really helps when fishing braid to a leader, and I fish braid to leader 100% of the time unless I’m going straight braid. The other thing I will say is try the blood knot. It’s not super hard to tie, super strong, and has a very small diameter. Give it a try, I’ve been using it a long time and I never break off at the leader knot, I’d say it happens maybe once every 25-30 break offs.

[Cgolf]

So I do a combination of this and the alberto knot. I wrap the main line 7 times up and back like an alberto and then 4 or 5 wraps capturing the mainline to the loop like the video below. With this setup the line always gives at the lure when I catch a tree;) When I did uni to uni with the same line setup it would break at the connection. This year I have been putting a drop of loctite glue on the knot, to keep the tag end I can never cut short enough under control, not to secure the knot.

 

I have used the FG. When I got it right it worked great, wrong, instant fail. The modified alberto I am using has never failed me and I can tie it in the boat while fishing no problem.

 

 

 

[Hower08]

On 4/5/2020 at 6:56 PM, MickD said:

problem with the Alberto was that it unravelled.

If it is coming undone then you did not tie it correctly. 7 wraps up 7 wraps down make sure the line goes back through the loop the same way it came through. Wet the knot with saliva while your tightening the knot down and it will not fail

[MickD]

11 hours ago, Hower08 said:

If it is coming undone then you did not tie it correctly. 7 wraps up 7 wraps down make sure the line goes back through the loop the same way it came through. Wet the knot with saliva while your tightening the knot down and it will not fail

I know, but I've had so many failures when I thought I was tying it correctly that I gave up on it.  Maybe I'll try again this year. thanks,

[Choporoz]

I've had a few Alberto failures that I have attributed to my tag trimming.  I believe that more than a couple times, I was trying to trim the tags too close and nicked the fluoro loop.  A little more care since, and I have not had problems. 

[OkobojiEagle]

Alberto knot -- Reasonably sized for bass fishing, PE line is so supple there is no advantage to cutting the PE tag closely to the knot.  Little stretch as well as slippery coatings can lead to the PE line sliding enough within the knot to come undone.  Along with liberally lubricating the line when cinching it tight to prevent line burn on the mono side, I leave 1/2"+ of tag on the PE side of the knot.  

 

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[Kdizzle]

On 4/5/2020 at 8:23 PM, MickD said:

But some knots are easier to reliably tie than others.  And the FG is easy to screw up.  But I understand what it takes to do a good FG.  The double uni is not easy to screw up.  It is easy to tie.  Its problem is that it can get too big for easy , clean , passage through small guides.    The Alberto, for me, is in never never land where I don't understand why it doesn't work reliably.  But it doesn't.

I had problems with it too in the beginning.  First I switched to a more medium quality braid with Daiwa J braid X8 and switched my leader to Yo Zuri Top Knot.  I did see quite an improvement in quality with the higher end products.  

 

I ALSO started looping the braid through the flouro end loop when I'm finished with my ten away ten back procedure five times instead of just once.  That's helped a lot too.

[MickD]

My problems were clearly unravelling, not a failure of either line.  It usually happened when snapping swimbaits off the bottom, a lot like snapping a blade bait aggressively.  I'll try the suggestions.

[fishindad]

On 4/9/2020 at 7:39 PM, Revival said:

I think what he means is that the tag end of the main line (braid) needs to go back through the leader loop on the same side that it went through at the start of your wraps.  If not I’m misunderstanding too.  But here is a pic for reference on how I do it.

 There, I fixed it - this is a critical point. After you make your wraps with the braid around the leader loop, make sure to pass it through so both the main line and tag end are side-by-side and not crossed.

 

[OkobojiEagle]

The little bunny named Alberto popped out of his hole in the morning to play.  Alberto hopped to the garden and hopped round and round the vegetable patch.  When Alberto had traveled far enough from his home he hopped back to his home and popped back into his hole where he was safe and secure for the entire night.

 

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[MickD]

I tied an Alberto today, 21 # Hitena Pure Line to 12 # Sunline flouro leader material, and it really went well.  Part of it is due to the Hitena not being as limp as previous braids I was tying, so it kept a little away from the leader down and back.  It didn't messily clump up as it was wrapped.  When I tightened it , it turned into a very neat looking, very small knot.  I cannot imagine it unravelling, but will give it a try.  While theoretically larger than an FG, it is plenty small enough to go through size 4 micros.  Wish me luck.

[Bird]

If you tied it correctly and slobbered on it a little, the Alberto won't fail. 

[MickD]

On 4/11/2020 at 10:23 PM, papajoe222 said:

I've found that wrapping the leader line around the braid prevents this,but I don't use that knot any more.

Here is a very simple and quick to tie leader knot

 

It's not clear what he is pulling through.  Maybe I'll figure it out when trying the knot, but is it the leader or the line?

[MickD]

On 4/11/2020 at 10:23 PM, papajoe222 said:

I've found that wrapping the leader line around the braid prevents this,but I don't use that knot any more.

Here is a very simple and quick to tie leader knot

 

I see no advantage in this knot except that it is easy to tie.  But it can be done wrong-i did one today that failed the leader instantly.  But if I get it right, it still is not a very slim knot, nothing close to FG or Alberto.  More like a double uni, which works well exc when the leader gets too thick and my guides get too small.

 

I did a few more Albertos today, and am getting it down.  Looks like it has a good future with me.