Knot for Braid Straight to Hook?

[MN Fisher]

I'm a stingy bugger and the Palomar always has too much of a tag-end for me. So looking around, I found the 'Multifile-Knoten' - it's easy to tie, leaves very little tag, and has never failed me - even pulling a lure free from snags on lily-pads. I use this for mono, hybrid and braid - all my knots.

[new2BC4bass]

55 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

I'm a stingy bugger and the Palomar always has too much of a tag-end for me. So looking around, I found the 'Multifile-Knoten' - it's easy to tie, leaves very little tag, and has never failed me - even pulling a lure free from snags on lily-pads. I use this for mono, hybrid and braid - all my knots.

I'm a stingy bugger also.  I usually lose 3-4 inches with a Uni Knot.  First time seeing this knot.  Looks good.  Will have to give it a shot.  Thanks

[MN Fisher]

2 minutes ago, new2BC4bass said:

I'm a stingy bugger also.  I usually lose 3-4 inches with a Uni Knot.  First time seeing this knot.  Looks good.  Will have to give it a shot.  Thanks

Couple tricks:

1: 8-12 winds for braid, I go 2-6 winds for single-strand (Mono, FC, Hybrid) - lighter the line, less winds - I do 3 with 4# YZH, 5 with 10# Mono/12# YZH

2: Most of your pulling when tightening is from the main-line, only pull the tag enough to keep the winds neat and at the very end for final tightening. Shorter you can have the tag at the beginning, shorter it is at the end...I've done it times when I had maybe 1/2" to cut. YMMV

[bogfrog]

4 hours ago, Revival said:

I have seen the palomar knot fail due to the line crossing.  One of my friends was using it for a while and did not realize there was a correct and incorrect way of tying it .   

I was literally raised in a commercial fishing boat and the palomar was the first knot I learned. (it was years before I knew what it was called) I have been fishing for over 50 years and was a guide for many years and this is the first time I have ever heard of a palomar knot failing no matter how it was tied. I wasnt aware of a right or wrong way to tie one either. I always wet before I clinch.

[Catt]

If a palomar knot fails it due to operator error tying the knot. If you allow the lines to cross it will dig in on its self.

 

If you're using to much line tying a palomar knot it's due to operator error.

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

3 hours ago, bogfrog said:

I was literally raised in a commercial fishing boat and the palomar was the first knot I learned. (it was years before I knew what it was called) I have been fishing for over 50 years and was a guide for many years and this is the first time I have ever heard of a palomar knot failing no matter how it was tied. I wasnt aware of a right or wrong way to tie one either. I always wet before I clinch.

No one is saying the palomar knot is bad just the Fish-n-Fool knot is better as in stronger holding.

[jbsoonerfan]

5 hours ago, QUAKEnSHAKE said:

No one is saying the palomar knot is bad just the Fish-n-Fool knot is better as in stronger holding.

LOL, no one really has to worry about either knot failing when tied properly using braided line. I assume we are still talking about bass fishing here.

[bogfrog]

I can see the fishing fool knot being a pain to tie in the wind. The beauty of the palomar, aside from it being totally secure, is its simplicity. This is the first knot kids learn to tie, can be tied successfully under any conditions, and works for virtually any fishing line. Why are people always trying to reinvent the wheel when it comes to knots?

[Guitarfish]

On 3/29/2020 at 8:12 PM, swhit140 said:

Double Palomar

This is right, and easy.

[ATA]

On 3/29/2020 at 3:58 PM, Hammer 4 said:

San Diego jam knot,

improve San Diego jam knot is very good knot for straight braid

[Revival]

5 hours ago, ATA said:

improve San Diego jam knot is very good knot for straight braid

Is this different from a double San Diego Jam?  If so I’m curious how it is tied.

[ATA]

6 hours ago, Revival said:

Is this different from a double San Diego Jam?  If so I’m curious how it is tied.

yes it has two extra step, please look it up here. 

 

[GTN-NY]

Ok something I’ve noticed watch braid tying videos. It’s kind of stiff. 
The braid line in have you can’t hold out 1 inch without it falling over limp

[FrankN209]

On 3/31/2020 at 10:30 AM, bogfrog said:

I can see the fishing fool knot being a pain to tie in the wind. The beauty of the palomar, aside from it being totally secure, is its simplicity. This is the first knot kids learn to tie, can be tied successfully under any conditions, and works for virtually any fishing line. Why are people always trying to reinvent the wheel when it comes to knots?

Not really. It was pretty windy today where I live and I didn't have any problems tying this knot. 

[bogfrog]

2 hours ago, GTN said:

Ok something I’ve noticed watch braid tying videos. It’s kind of stiff. 
The braid line in have you can’t hold out 1 inch without it falling over limp

The guys in the videos are always indoors with their elbows anchored to a table top tying brand new line. When I try it I'm in a boat rocking in 20 mph winds with limp wet line. After 3 tries I remember why I love the palomar.

[The Bassman]

Certainly there's more than one good terminal braid knot. I mentioned my preference. We've addressed this before and I'm a bit surprised that nobody (unless I missed it) has said that the best knot is the one that suits you best as long as it's properly tied.

[Jaderose]

Palomar

[schplurg]

I tie them like I do my shoes. Super easy to untie too with those big loops.

 

I actually tied my first braid-to-hook knot a few days ago and I used an improved clinch. I just started using braid and had a mono leader, but the double uni was hanging up in the guides and gave me a nice "wind" knot, so I cut the leader off.

 

Using a different knot next time for leader.

[HenryPF]

Palomar - I like that that tag end can be super long to get rid of nicks or line with abrasion on it when I retie. I also use the long tag end for dropshots.

 

Improved clinch of mono/flouro

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

On 3/30/2020 at 9:25 PM, jbsoonerfan said:

LOL, no one really has to worry about either knot failing when tied properly using braided line. I assume we are still talking about bass fishing here.

Braid no but other types of line there can be a significant difference where palomar will fail.

[jbsoonerfan]

31 minutes ago, QUAKEnSHAKE said:

Braid no but other types of line there can be a significant difference where palomar will fail.

And this thread is specifically about braid. 

[J._Bricker]

Snell knot or San Diego Jam knot are my go to choice. Thanks @ATA for the video on the improved San Diego Jam, looks like it’s worth switching to

[CrankFate]

I say no knot.

 

Why in the world are we tying braid directly to a hook?

[Hammer 4]

31 minutes ago, CrankFate said:

I say no knot.

 

Why in the world are we tying braid directly to a hook?

Do you use a leader for Froggin..? 

[CrankFate]

1 minute ago, Hammer 4 said:

Do you use a leader for Froggin..? 

I don’t frog, but I do throw lures without a leader. But I don’t tie braid directly to hooks ??