Global Moderator 12poundbass Posted March 21, 2020 Global Moderator Posted March 21, 2020 If you have a map gas torch or know someone who is a plumber or has the torch you can get aluminum brazing rods from a welding supply store and patch those holes up. My friend is in the process of doing that with a jonboat that has some cracks from running the river. Quote
JediAmoeba Posted March 21, 2020 Author Posted March 21, 2020 After calming down today and taking the kids and dogs out for a long walk I called my local shop and he said he could probably fix it but it may cost a bit. I am taking it down for him to look at on Monday and get an estimate. If he can repair it, hopefully I can get it repaired by the end of summer. I filed a police report and the trooper stated there are a lot of mischievous people on ATV's back there that don't seem to care about othet people's property. It probably won't lead to anything, but perhaps word of mouth will get around. Either way it isn't the end of the world - I just hope karma or perhaps their conscience gets to them. If I do find out who did it, I would mind giving them a piece of my mind... Thanks for the advice. I dont think I would trust flex tape, despite their convincing commercials with my kids! Lol 1 Quote
Shimano_1 Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 If u know someone that welds that could be fixed. I work in a weld shop and we have several guys that could fix that up. Sucks for sure some sorry human beings out there Quote
schplurg Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 6 hours ago, JediAmoeba said: After calming down today and taking the kids and dogs out for a long walk I called my local shop and he said he could probably fix it but it may cost a bit. I am taking it down for him to look at on Monday and get an estimate. If he can repair it, hopefully I can get it repaired by the end of summer. I filed a police report and the trooper stated there are a lot of mischievous people on ATV's back there that don't seem to care about othet people's property. It probably won't lead to anything, but perhaps word of mouth will get around. Either way it isn't the end of the world - I just hope karma or perhaps their conscience gets to them. If I do find out who did it, I would mind giving them a piece of my mind... Thanks for the advice. I dont think I would trust flex tape, despite their convincing commercials with my kids! Lol Me either! Not that you're asking and I hope you don't mind me saying, but I'd pitch in $30 or so for repairs to help keep those happy kids happy, and Dad too. Seriously. You have earned points, at least here. No offense intended we all have our pride, but just throwing that out there. #@&% those guys That's a messed up thing to happen and I don't want to see those idiots get the last word in. They're probably the same people who leave all the trash around. 1 Quote
Shimano_1 Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 30 minutes ago, schplurg said: Me either! Not that you're asking and I hope you don't mind me saying, but I'd pitch in $30 or so for repairs to help keep those happy kids happy, and Dad too. Seriously. You have earned points, at least here. No offense intended we all have our pride, but just throwing that out there. #@&% those guys That's a messed up thing to happen and I don't want to see those idiots get the last word in. They're probably the same people who leave all the trash around. I'd match that 30 myself if it helps the cause any. I know how things can be and if there are kids involved makes it even worse. Honestly probably some punk kids. Let me know if I can help at all and good luck 1 Quote
Super User jimmyjoe Posted March 22, 2020 Super User Posted March 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, Shimano_1 said: I'd match that 30 myself if it helps the cause any. I know how things can be and if there are kids involved makes it even worse. Honestly probably some punk kids. Let me know if I can help at all and good luck I'm in, too. That's only a few spoons. ? jj 1 Quote
Super User MIbassyaker Posted March 22, 2020 Super User Posted March 22, 2020 This sort of thing is infuriating. I'm good for $30 to help get the Amoebas back on the water. 1 Quote
Super User Oregon Native Posted March 22, 2020 Super User Posted March 22, 2020 So sorry.....best of luck Quote
MGF Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 17 hours ago, 12poundbass said: If you have a map gas torch or know someone who is a plumber or has the torch you can get aluminum brazing rods from a welding supply store and patch those holes up. My friend is in the process of doing that with a jonboat that has some cracks from running the river. Yes! It looks like they used a hatchet or something and the cuts look fairly thin. I've brazed many holes in our boat at work...including some pretty big holes. I can't even guess what a welding shop would charge but if you were near me I'd do it for nothing. Go watch some utube vids. I don't see why you couldn't do it yourself. Get a piece of aluminum plate from the hardware store and practice a bit before going to work on the canoe. It's not that hard...a burnzomatic propane/map gas torch will work and they aren't that expensive. The other was to do it is to rivet a patch over the hole. It's best to use solid rivets...utube vids on this too. Quote
Mbirdsley Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 On 3/20/2020 at 3:07 PM, JediAmoeba said: I was hoping I had enough Karma points logged lately to not have someone bite me. Looks like my year will mostly be bank fishing since someone decided to sabotage my canoe. I take my canoe through the game lands and fish some pretty remote places - because they are so far, 2-3 miles over rough terrain I will take it back a few days before, hide it as best as possible and padlock it. Well, someone decided to put about 20 holes in the bottom of my canoe. Well anyway, I brought it back the other night with the intention of taking a kid fishing today...we got back there and all the brush was moved and someone axed it or something. Needless to say we didn't fish. It really stinks because my budget is pretty much shot for the year and this canoe was virtually unsinkable - so I enjoyed taking my kids in it. For me it worked great because I had a trolling motor and could easily fish standing up. I hope that person feels bad and does something good to repent. Jeez. In the oft chance, does anyone know if there is a way to repair aluminum canoes with a lot of 3 inch holes in it. Attached a picture of a hole and me and the kids fishing last year. Might be kind of expensive for how much you might need but, buy some JB marine weld and a harbor frieght palm sander. You may have to slowly build it up to cover the big holes but, the stuff flatt out works. If you want to get real fancy you can sand it down and it will look un-noticeable. I’d try it atleast a good Metal canoe at decent price is hard to find My entire stern port qtr has basically been rebuilt with jB weld because, I have had 3-4 fish finders on my tin can. Each transducer bracket is different. So I have to fill in the old screw holes with JB weld. Let it set 24ish hours and than sand smooth. Barley tell anything was ever there after I get done sanding it down. I’ve never had an issue with it cracking or letting water in. It’s usually stronger than the metal around it. Quote
Dogface Posted March 31, 2020 Posted March 31, 2020 The SportsPal is too thin to weld. I patched a hole in mine with a thin piece of aluminum, some rivets and Marine Tex. Another adhesive would be Dupont 5200. It is tough stuff. Quote
Super User WRB Posted March 31, 2020 Super User Posted March 31, 2020 37 minutes ago, Dogface said: The SportsPal is too thin to weld. I patched a hole in mine with a thin piece of aluminum, some rivets and Marine Tex. Another adhesive would be Dupont 5200. It is tough stuff. Too thin to weld? A skilled aluminum welder can easily weld .050 thick aluminum. Agree it takes a skilled welder, not your average welder. The reason I suggested a internal aluminum patch and a outside bead weld is it doubles the total metal thickness. The problem with multiple patches is the aluminum flexing breaking loose any epoxy used as a patch and leaky rivet joints. Done right patching may work but it's more time consuming andxexpensivecto sand, buff, clean inside and outside hatch tears, drilling hundreds of holes and patching using rivets then welding. Tom 1 Quote
newriverfisherman1953 Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 Yeah, I’ve seen guys weld aluminum soda cans. A good welder can fix it right. I would not patch it with glue and/or rivets. Quote
Shimano_1 Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 Several guys I work with myself included could definitely weld it. We've welded pop cans together before. I'd definitely find a decent weld shop and get it fixed right. Maybe get lucky and find someone compassionate enough to hook you up at no or little charge. We could fix it up pretty easily if you were in central Kentucky lol. Good luck! And yes I said pop cans not soda lol 1 Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted April 1, 2020 Global Moderator Posted April 1, 2020 33 minutes ago, Shimano_1 said: Several guys I work with myself included could definitely weld it. We've welded pop cans together before. I'd definitely find a decent weld shop and get it fixed right. Maybe get lucky and find someone compassionate enough to hook you up at no or little charge. We could fix it up pretty easily if you were in central Kentucky lol. Good luck! And yes I said pop cans not soda lol It’s coke cans!!! But yes I found a fab shop to weld on my old boat and they said it was just like welding two beer cans together Quote
Super User WRB Posted April 1, 2020 Super User Posted April 1, 2020 There is a lot of prep work that needs to be done before any patches can be added. 1. The hatchet/axe cuts need to be flattened rolled up edges a smooth slit. This requires a backup plate to act as a anvil. 2. All the paint removed around the holes and the aluminum buffed with steel wool to remove any paint in the area repairs are needed. Shine me bright is the navy moto. Prepping saves anyone doing the repairs time and time is money. Tom Quote
Dogface Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 The SportsPal is only a little thicker than a soda can. There are plenty of other and better options than welding. Quote
Super User WRB Posted April 1, 2020 Super User Posted April 1, 2020 Soda cans are about .004 thick aluminum, aluminum boats are at least 14 gauge (.064), 16 gauge (.050) could puncher going over rocks. I doubt if the canoe is less than .050 thick. Agree it takes a skilled welder and with lock someone will step up to repair this canoe. Tom Quote
Global Moderator 12poundbass Posted April 1, 2020 Global Moderator Posted April 1, 2020 16 hours ago, TnRiver46 said: It’s coke cans!!! But yes I found a fab shop to weld on my old boat and they said it was just like welding two beer cans together Us Yankees call it pop. Not soda, not soda pop. We have coke and Pepsi. ? 1 Quote
Fishingmickey Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 You might want to look into this Jedi, I've heard good things about gator guard in the kayaking relm. FM Gator Guards Gator Patch UV Cure Fiberglass Reinforced Repair Patch The Gator Guards Gator Patch™ UV Cure Fiberglass Reinforced Repair Patch quickly, easily, and permanently fixes cracks and holes in your boat, kayak, canoe, tank, plumbing, and more. Made to handle fiberglass, aluminum or plastic, the Gator Guards Gator Patch UV Cure Fiberglass Reinforced Repair Patch delivers a watertight, impenetrable barrier with a simple "prep, peel, stick" design that cures with standard UV light in less than an hour. Unlike ordinary patches that fall apart on anything but the flattest surface, the Gator Patch works on curved areas, dents, joints, or odd angles. You can even drill, tap, sand, and paint over this repair patch—nothing works better. Made in USA. UV-cure fiberglass-reinforced repair patch Watertight, impenetrable Simple "prep, peel, stick" application Cures with standard UV light in less than an hour Provides a permanent solution for boats, kayaks, canoes, tanks, plumbing, and more Great on fiberglass, aluminum or plastic Moldable around flat or curved areas, dents, joints, or angles Can be drilled, tapped, sanded, or painted after curing Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted April 1, 2020 Global Moderator Posted April 1, 2020 18 minutes ago, 12poundbass said: Us Yankees call it pop. Not soda, not soda pop. We have coke and Pepsi. ? I know all about your sorcery up there, I’m engaged to one! 3 Quote
bogfrog Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 What about closing up all the holes as good as possible and coating the entire bottom with the spray on bed liner stuff? And also spray small patches over each hole on the inside as well? You would have to get it clean (really clean) before you try it. Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted April 1, 2020 Global Moderator Posted April 1, 2020 Woops. I accidentally posted some redundancy from the department of redundancy 1 Quote
Super User WRB Posted April 1, 2020 Super User Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Fishingmickey said: You might want to look into this Jedi, I've heard good things about gator guard in the kayaking relm. FM Gator Guards Gator Patch UV Cure Fiberglass Reinforced Repair Patch The Gator Guards Gator Patch™ UV Cure Fiberglass Reinforced Repair Patch quickly, easily, and permanently fixes cracks and holes in your boat, kayak, canoe, tank, plumbing, and more. Made to handle fiberglass, aluminum or plastic, the Gator Guards Gator Patch UV Cure Fiberglass Reinforced Repair Patch delivers a watertight, impenetrable barrier with a simple "prep, peel, stick" design that cures with standard UV light in less than an hour. Unlike ordinary patches that fall apart on anything but the flattest surface, the Gator Patch works on curved areas, dents, joints, or odd angles. You can even drill, tap, sand, and paint over this repair patch—nothing works better. Made in USA. UV-cure fiberglass-reinforced repair patch Watertight, impenetrable Simple "prep, peel, stick" application Cures with standard UV light in less than an hour Provides a permanent solution for boats, kayaks, canoes, tanks, plumbing, and more Great on fiberglass, aluminum or plastic Moldable around flat or curved areas, dents, joints, or angles Can be drilled, tapped, sanded, or painted after curing Good solution for 1 patch at $21. 28 patches is $588 plus tax and shipping. Tom Quote
VolFan Posted April 1, 2020 Posted April 1, 2020 Maybe measure and get an idea of what kind of area/areas you have below the waterline and then contact gatorgard to price out a sizable sheet. Quote
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