Connection knot strength

[Johnpenguin]

I live in Ohio where the water is still cold af. I have used an Alberto knot to connect braid to my mono leader for a while now but I’m experiencing some new problems. I tie my knot pretty good, but in this cold water it is slipping through. It’s driving me crazy. Has anyone else experienced this up north?

[FrogMann]

8 minutes ago, Johnpenguin said:

I live in Ohio where the water is still cold af. I have used an Alberto knot to connect braid to my mono leader for a while now but I’m experiencing some new problems. I tie my knot pretty good, but in this cold water it is slipping through. It’s driving me crazy. Has anyone else experienced this up north?

I always noticed that you must be careful about if you start the knot going up through the fluorocarbon loop to make sure you end the knot going back through the loop the opposite way or it will pull through. Also always loop the flurocarbon and wrap the braid around it. So the braid should be on top. Let me know if that helps buddy

[JediAmoeba]

I use either a blood knot, a uni knot or a Albright.  The key for me is trimming up the ends after cinching it down.  If it isn't trimmed properly it can loosen up when hitting the guides.  After I tie it and cut it off I always hit it with a dab of super glue for security.  

 

If the air temps are freezing I never use braid or a leader because of the ice build up and abrasion.

[jimmyjoe]

11 hours ago, FrogMann said:

make sure you end the knot going back through the loop the opposite way

   Hmmmmm.    Are you sure that you didn't mean "go back through the loop the same way as you came in"?    jj

[Hower08]

Water was 46 today here in n.e ohio around Akron. I use nothing but Alberto knot when connecting leader to braid. I have no issues with cold water having negative effects on knot strength.  I use braid to flouro 12 months out of year 

[Team9nine]

Agree with the above - it's not the cold water. Check your knot tying technique...something is amiss there. Not having any problems with that knot in the 44-46 degree water we have here now, and have used it in much colder water than that.

[soflabasser]

I live in South Florida but have fished up north on several occasions. I have done well using a uni knot for tying a lure and done well using a uni to uni knot for tying leaders.

[FrogMann]

42 minutes ago, jimmyjoe said:

   Hmmmmm.    Are you sure that you didn't mean " go back through the loop the same way as you came in"?    jj

Correct back through the loop. Hard to explain. Video is best for illustration lol

[FryDog62]

That’s the key on the Alberto - gotta be absolutely certain you go back through the loop the same direction.  Otherwise it can actually hold at medium strength when you tighten down the knot, but as soon as you ratchet up the tension on a fish, snag, etc It will give out.

[jimmyjoe]

   FrogMann is right. Animation is clearest.

 

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBrth-I_QRE

[Johnpenguin]

12 hours ago, FrogMann said:

I always noticed that you must be careful about if you start the knot going up through the fluorocarbon loop to make sure you end the knot going back through the loop the opposite way or it will pull through. Also always loop the flurocarbon and wrap the braid around it. So the braid should be on top. Let me know if that helps buddy

I thought you were supposed to put it back through the same way? Also I’m using mono 

11 hours ago, Hower08 said:

Water was 46 today here in n.e ohio around Akron. I use nothing but Alberto knot when connecting leader to braid. I have no issues with cold water having negative effects on knot strength.  I use braid to flouro 12 months out of year 

I’ve been using mono which is a little different

9 hours ago, jimmyjoe said:

   FrogMann is right. Animation is clearest.

 

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBrth-I_QRE

I know how to tie the knot I’ve been doing it for years and just recently I’ve had this problem

[Johnpenguin]

12 hours ago, JediAmoeba said:

I use either a blood knot, a uni knot or a Albright.  The key for me is trimming up the ends after cinching it down.  If it isn't trimmed properly it can loosen up when hitting the guides.  After I tie it and cut it off I always hit it with a dab of super glue for security.  

 

If the air temps are freezing I never use braid or a leader because of the ice build up and abrasion.

I never thought it would loosen because of the guides but that could be it

[Hower08]

36 minutes ago, Johnpenguin said:

37 minutes ago, Johnpenguin said:

I’ve been using mono which is a little different

 

Using mono or floro is not going to make a difference. 

[king fisher]

Alberto will work well in any temperature.  I use it and the FG.  exclusively for braid to leader.  Used the Uni to Uni for many years without problems, bu found through testing that  the Alberto is a better knot.  I prefer to pass the line back through the loop the same direction as it came through at the start, then pass it through again.  Hard to explain, I recommend watching a few videos on how to tie correctly.  Not saying that you are not tying it correctly but wouldn't hurt to see how others tie it. I tied the Palomar wrong for over twenty years before watching a video that showed I was crossing the line as I tied it.  Yes I did catch many fish tying it wrong, but am glad I tie it correctly now.

[J Francho]

Cold temps will affect your fingers more than any knot.  I struggle tying knots in cold temps.

[Johnpenguin]

42 minutes ago, Hower08 said:

Using mono or floro is not going to make a difference. 

Fluoro burns a little more

8 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Cold temps will affect your fingers more than any knot.  I struggle tying knots in cold temps.

Lol ya that could be my problem in all honesty 

[Hower08]

As long as you wet what ever knot you are using as you are tightening it down if it is tied correctly it won't fail. 

[WRB]

37 minutes ago, Hower08 said:

As long as you wet what ever knot you are using as you are tightening it down if it is tied correctly it won't fail. 

Knots are the weakest link.

Tom

[Johnpenguin]

2 hours ago, WRB said:

Knots are the weakest link.

Tom

Typically the knot connected to the lure

[WRB]

2 hours ago, Johnpenguin said:

Typically the knot connected to the lure

You are having problems with the leader to main line knot. The strongest possible knot is 100% knot strength meaning the line breaks away from the knot,very rare unless the line is damaged.

Tom