Cdn Angler Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 On the bright side as far as fishing is concerned, it isn't a "sport" that requires any interaction with other people and many prefer do to solo. Unless you are sick, fishing should be fine. 4
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted March 12, 2020 Super User Posted March 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, Not_Here said: Did you overlook this part in the article Fishing_FF? "Confirmed cases may appear to rise faster (or slower) in the short term as diagnostic capabilities are ramped up (or not), but this is how fast we can expect actual new cases to rise in the absence of substantial mitigation measures." That is the fear mongering part. 3
Super User senile1 Posted March 12, 2020 Super User Posted March 12, 2020 6 hours ago, OCdockskipper said: Im going to correct you because what you are claiming to be facts is what is misleading. The mortality rate of Covid-19 is much lower than originally suggested because the infection rate was mistakenly thought to be lower than it is. Many people who contracted Covid-19 originally never reported it because they just thought they had the flu. As the true number of infections is revealed and increases, the mortality rate drops. Further, deaths from the virus of people over 70 and those will health issues is for all intents & purposes all of the deaths. Tom Hanks and his wife will be fine in less than a week. What I claimed to be the facts came directly from medical experts, not someone with a political agenda. I also stated that the figures I used are current figures, not initial figures, which means they are subject to change as all scientific observations are the more data is collected. There are, of course, people who haven't reported as there always are with any disease. But the medical community believes it is unlikely that the mortality rate will drop to anything resembling the flu. Remember, I gave a conservative mortality rate of 34 times the flu, while @J Francho made the point that it might be closer to 70 or 80 times the rate of the flu. The point is not everyone reports they have the flu either, so all mortality rates are typically lower than what is provided. But the fact that the medical community currently sees this as quite a bit more lethal makes it logical to take precautions. 1
OCdockskipper Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 Reread the WHO report. That 3.4% figure was not a mortality rate, it was a rate of current deaths compared to current confirmed cases. The WHO acknowledged that they had no way of determining the true number of infections, so they didn't even try to give a mortality rate. South Korea has tested the most people. Their mortality rate is closer to .6 %, which is about 600 percent less than the 3.4% number you cited. 2
Frog Turds Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, jbsoonerfan said: That is the fear mongering part. Facts are always fear mongering right? She was illustrating the same, why its critical to mitigate it. Imagine what the numbers would be if China didn't mitigate. Any Epidemiologists want to calculate that? Feel free to compile your data mitigate vs non-mitigate and present to Liz ---> https://twitter.com/LizSpecht/with_replies "Liz received her B.S. in Chemical and Biomolecular Engineering at Johns Hopkins University and her Ph.D. from the Division of Biological Sciences at the University of California San Diego. Associate Director of Science and Technology. " 2 minutes ago, OCdockskipper said: South Korea has tested the most people. Their mortality rate is closer to .6 %, which is about 600 percent less than the 3.4% number you cited. There are a lot of factors that play into why SK numbers are low like that. I'm not going to spend the time to dig it all up. But for one, and per my point/illustrations, a HUGE key is how fast and intensely they mobilized to mitigated it. Plus, the drugs they have to treat. Now compare Italy at the moment.
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted March 12, 2020 Super User Posted March 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, Not_Here said: Facts are always fear mongering right? She was illustrating the same, why its critical to mitigate it. Yes, but those aren't facts! Just like when our local meteorologists "expect" a tornado outbreak. Everyone freaks out and schools are canceled and the elderly spend the day in their tornado shelter. It's a media tactic to put fear in people, they live for it. Ever watch a news broadcast that is full of feel good stories? No, it's always about crime, car wrecks, stock market crash, etc. 5
Super User DitchPanda Posted March 12, 2020 Super User Posted March 12, 2020 My boss lives about an hour from me... he said his children were sent home Tuesday until at least Monday for an entire school system shut down since one parent in the area tested positive I like everyone else here do not know how serious this is going to be but from what I've seen it read from what id say are actual credible sources the mortality rates will be noticeably higher than Flu but no where near what was originally projected I had Influenza A a month ago or so which has many of the same symptoms as corona and was better in less than a week... I missed a Thursday and the following Monday and was back to work Tuesday Guess what I'm saying is im a fairly healthy 36 year old with a strong immune system and aside from being somewhat overweight I have no health issues...but just because I could survive it doesn't mean I won't take precautions or be foolish enough to think it couldn't happen to me..all you can do is be careful around groups of people, wash your hands, don't purposely cough in your face and be responsible enough to stay away from others if you end up getting it Everybody talks about how crazy it is that the media has blown this thing up and yes while that's dangerous what's even worse are people saying they know that it's all just media hype and they aren't worried at all...maybe they will worry when they give this to a grandparent or elderly parent and they don't fair well with the pneumonia All that said I agree with saying this is not black death 2.0...this will not cripple the world and take out 40% of the population like some media outlets would have you believe
lo n slo Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 they’ve canceled the rec baseball season here in our hometown smh
Frog Turds Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 Ohio Dept of Health from today. I'm not saying yay or nay on it, just read. https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/continuing-coverage/coronavirus/ohio-department-of-health-says-100-000-ohioans-are-carrying-coronavirus 30 minutes ago, jbsoonerfan said: Yes, but those aren't facts! Just like when our local meteorologists "expect" a tornado outbreak. Everyone freaks out and schools are canceled and the elderly spend the day in their tornado shelter. It's a media tactic to put fear in people, they live for it. Ever watch a news broadcast that is full of feel good stories? No, it's always about crime, car wrecks, stock market crash, etc. Shes not part of the media. She first compiled the data herself well before that paper decided to published it, she did not write it for the paper. It was her own analysis. I'm not going to explain that it is a fact the RO factor with this, left unchecked would be massively different on the HC system, that doesn't take rocket science to figure out. Nor, what China would of looked like it it did nothing. Even if her calculations were way off, the bases is still legit based on known facts. To comparing weather forecasting vs this isn't the best forecasting rational, nor analogy. Quantitative Forecasting would be a better suited for comparison.
Super User Bankbeater Posted March 12, 2020 Super User Posted March 12, 2020 St. Louis is not allowing gatherings of more than 1000 people at at time. I guess the small lake down the street in the park is going to be closed this weekend. ? 2
Frog Turds Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 I want to make it known, the only reason I'm posting is to raise awareness. That means not being selfish & trying to help others be aware. Not to disregard this, do your part for yourself and others welfare. This is where we all have to detach from self. That is my ONLY reason for me taking time to post. Take it as you will, but that is my honest intentions. Not to sit and argue & be petty.
Super User Fishing Rhino Posted March 12, 2020 Super User Posted March 12, 2020 I am of the persuasion that a strong healthy immune system is our best defense. I also believe that one attains a healthy immune system by challenging it, not protecting it from every sniffle, or cough, or boo boo that we get. We are born without an immune system. Nature makes up for that, at least in mammals, via a mother's milk. Aside from that we are defenseless. Part of the process is for our bodies to recognize intruders. If my high school biology serves, the immune system goes to war immediately with general purpose protectors while the chemical system in our body produces specially designed anti bodies for each intruder. I often wonder if those alcohol dispensers that are commonplace today do more harm than good by washing away or killing organisms before the body can begin to identify and produce the specific anti bodies to eliminate the invaders. In the past two decades, we've heard about super bugs that are nearly impervious to most meds, and the pharmaceutical industry is hard pressed to stay ahead of this development. I've come to appreciate the end of "War of the Worlds" The extra terrestrials were marching across continents, laying waste to our civilizations, impervious to our weaponry. In the end, they were destroyed by germs to which they had never been exposed. Just sayin'. 4 3
Super User Bird Posted March 12, 2020 Super User Posted March 12, 2020 Unfortunately this is a media haymaker, story lines for even the novice. BUT because of ease in which we can gather info in a techno world, in this case very negative.....many are in a frenzy playing Ostrich. This will have a major impact on the global economy, though short lived in my opinion, mid June. Everyone will be impacted in some form. The wife and I personally have lost several thousand in non refundable trips to tropical destinations we had planned for end of March and we weren't the ones cancelling. It'll blow over.
Super User Bankbeater Posted March 12, 2020 Super User Posted March 12, 2020 This time of year, I'm much more worried about storms and tornadoes than I am about getting sick.
Frog Turds Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bankbeater said: This time of year, I'm much more worried about storms and tornadoes than I am about getting sick. That's cool, just please remember this important detail, because the asymptomatic attribute of this and/or symptoms. Be mindful of those that may be susceptible.
Super User slonezp Posted March 12, 2020 Super User Posted March 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, Fishing Rhino said: I am of the persuasion that a strong healthy immune system is our best defense. I also believe that one attains a healthy immune system by challenging it, not protecting it from every sniffle, or cough, or boo boo that we get. We are born without an immune system. Nature makes up for that, at least in mammals, via a mother's milk. Aside from that we are defenseless. Part of the process is for our bodies to recognize intruders. If my high school biology serves, the immune system goes to war immediately with general purpose protectors while the chemical system in our body produces specially designed anti bodies for each intruder. I often wonder if those alcohol dispensers that are commonplace today do more harm than good by washing away or killing organisms before the body can begin to identify and produce the specific anti bodies to eliminate the invaders. In the past two decades, we've heard about super bugs that are nearly impervious to most meds, and the pharmaceutical industry is hard pressed to stay ahead of this development. I've come to appreciate the end of "War of the Worlds" The extra terrestrials were marching across continents, laying waste to our civilizations, impervious to our weaponry. In the end, they were destroyed by germs to which they had never been exposed. Just sayin'. How do you feel about the 750ml alcohol dispensers found in the liquor aisle? 1
BassResource.com Administrator Glenn Posted March 12, 2020 BassResource.com Administrator Posted March 12, 2020 I'm impressed this thread hasn't spiraled into the "I'm right! You're wrong!" level of pettiness. Nor have politics been injected into the conversation. Well done guys! Well done! Let's stay above the sewer line and show 'em how it's done right! 5 3
Super User MN Fisher Posted March 12, 2020 Super User Posted March 12, 2020 18 minutes ago, slonezp said: How do you feel about the 750ml alcohol dispensers found in the liquor aisle? Not enough to 'immunize' me against the sheer fear mongering of the media. 2
lo n slo Posted March 12, 2020 Posted March 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Glenn said: I'm impressed this thread hasn't spiraled into the "I'm right! You're wrong!" level of pettiness. Nor have politics been injected into the conversation. Well done guys! Well done! Let's stay above the sewer line and show 'em how it's done right! the gloves will come off when they shut down my baseball ☹️
Super User Log Catcher Posted March 12, 2020 Super User Posted March 12, 2020 We have two confirmed cases here in our county and ten in the state. They have cancelled the boys and girls sweet sixteen basketball tournaments. They have also cancelled the St. Patricks day parade and no fans will be allowed at Keenland for the opening day of horse racing. The governor is requesting all churches to close this weekend and all school districts to close for at least two weeks. Since I am close to being 70 I guess I will stay home and avoid being in the crowds at the BPS spring sale. Will have to get the boat out and go fishing instead.
Super User Fishing Rhino Posted March 12, 2020 Super User Posted March 12, 2020 27 minutes ago, slonezp said: How do you feel about the 750ml alcohol dispensers found in the liquor aisle? My guess, since I don't drink is that they are like Nitrous Oxide at the dentist. It doesn't kill all the pain, but you just don't seem to care. 1 minute ago, Fishing Rhino said: My guess, since I don't drink is that they are like Nitrous Oxide at the dentist. It doesn't kill all the pain, but you just don't seem to care. Speaking of the dentist. I got a good laugh out of my dentist just after I sat down in the chair. He was just putting the nitrous mask on when I said wait a minute. He withdrew the mask and I reached into the pocket of my shirt and pulled out one of those "breathe right" nostril spreaders and with a flourish, slapped it onto my nose. I told him I didn't want any of his laughing gas escaping around the edges. 1
Way north bass guy Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 Our kids start their March break here in Ontario tomorrow, for one week. At 4:30 this afternoon, my wife was notified by the school board ( she’s the local high school librarian) that all Ontario public schools will be shut down for the two weeks following the end of March break, to try and stop anyone that may have travelled over break from spreading anything at school. For us, it’s not the end of the works as my wife will be home as well and paid while she stays home with our son and I work my normal job, but any families that have two working parents are not gonna be so lucky, now they have to try to find daycare or stay home unpaid to look after their kids.
Super User fishwizzard Posted March 13, 2020 Super User Posted March 13, 2020 I work in the live event/tradeshow industry and I am out of work for the foreseeable future. I can stand about six months before things get grim. In the mean time, I am going fish, read detective stories, and enjoy the spring weather.
volzfan59 Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, TnRiver46 said: @volzfan59, what takes you to Arkansas? Someone was just tested positive in Knox county, and I completely forgot that I talked to a customer that just returned from Africa........ Sent you a pm 11 minutes ago, fishwizzard said: I work in the live event/tradeshow industry and I am out of work for the foreseeable future. I can stand about six months before things get grim. In the mean time, I am going fish, read detective stories, and enjoy the spring weather. Let's hope that this passes way before six months. Good luck
OCdockskipper Posted March 13, 2020 Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Not_Here said: ... a HUGE key is how fast and intensely they mobilized to mitigated it. Plus, the drugs they have to treat. Now compare Italy at the moment. I understand your intentions are good, but if you give out misleading info, you do damage. How fast the virus is mitigated does not in & of itself lower the fatality rate. SK is the best example to determine the fatality rate because of their testing, not mitigation. They have best determined (so far) the raw infection number because of the massive testing and that accuracy leads to a more accurate fatality rate. There are no drugs to treat this specific virus yet. There are measures that can be taken to lower infection rate and care for those infected, but there is not a cure for it (which is what scares people). Italy's supposed higher fatality rate is due to lack of knowledge of how many people are infected and the age of those infected. The average age of the Italians who died is 80. That is pretty close to the ceiling for an average. 1
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