The Elephant in the Room...Coronavirus!!!

[Brett's_daddy]

Okay, this is officially getting worrisome! I mean the NBA just cancelled the rest of it's season as one of their players just tested positive for coronavirus. With the way people are stocking up on anything remotely related to hand sanitizer/disinfectant, toilet paper, paper towels etc., malls and grocery stores look like Black Friday with stuff flying off the sleves, people fighting over merchandise. All large sporting events/music events or basically any event where at least 1,000 people are expected to attend have been cancelled nationwide...no March Madness. Stores completely out of the necessities and no idea when or if they will be getting more in. I have no doubts this will effect our fishing industry as well...just think about all of those JDM pieces of equipment and all of the others made in China or Korea...rods, reels, lures etc...how long before a lock down happens preventing them from being shipped and/or entering the country and dispersed to the distributors/stores here in the U.S.? I'm thinking tackle shops across the country whether brick and mortar or online based will be running out of stock fast and unable to get restocked any time soon...good-bye Shimano, Daiwa, Lews, Abu Garcia, 13 Fishing and so many more it would take several pages to list. This coronavirus is getting real now and it's very sobering. To all my fellow anglers, keep yourselves and your families safe...that's priority #1!!! I don't think it's too over the top to say God have mercy on us all. Spend time with your families, enjoy one another' company and just stay strong and persevere until this is over and it will be eventually...all things come to pass and so will COVID19 coronavirus. Things will eventually return to normal but in the meantime be safe ya' all!!!

 

[Bassin' Brad]

Yeah and the stock market took a giant dump. Time to start buying. 

 

My wife and I had a cruise booked for May but we cancelled due to this. I'm not interested in being quarantined for weeks because someone on the ship has the virus. 

[OCdockskipper]

This may sound callous, but I think the reaction to the virus has been more dangerous than the virus.

 

If you are over 70, a heavy smoker or have existing health issues, then yes, this virus could kill you.  Also, the flu could kill you.  In Italy, the average age of those killed by the virus is 80.  I would bet the median in those statistics is also about 80.  If you are in any of these groups, this is a big deal. 

 

However, for the hundreds of millions of the rest of us, if we catch the virus, we have a fever & cough for a few days.  No vomiting, no diarrhea, just a tough upper respiratory illness.  Then our immune system figures out how to fight it and we heal.  This is especially true of those under the age of 25, young ones seem to handle this virus very well.

 

Rather than quarantining huge swaths of the population, those in the danger should self quarantine.  This will allow the virus to burn through the rest of society until it has no more victims available.

 

Unfortunately, I failed in my bid for both the U.S. presidency and king of the world, so most likely panic will stay as the current course for many people in the world. ?

[Koz]

When the H1N1 virus hit the US in 2009 it wasn't until over 20M Americans were infected and over 1,000 died before our federal government took action. So while I understand why we all need to be cautious now I don't understand why so many people are in a state of panic and why so many seem to be overreacting.

 

FWIW, H1N1 ended up infecting over 60M people in the US and killing over 4,000. But I don't recall mass closings of universities or pro sports shutting down.

 

In the US the 2019 flu season has led to 280,000 hospitalizations (millions more infected) and 16,000 deaths.

 

All of the reports thus far have stated that the although it can be passed rather easily, those at high risk for death are the elderly and those with underlying conditions. Take China and most Asian countries, for instance. They have a high rate of people who smoke and they don't live in the healthiest conditions compared to western standards.

 

So by all means lets be cautious out there but at the same time lets take our finger off of the panic button - at least for the time being.

[lo n slo]

if any of y’all have some unopened packs of toilet paper you’d like to get rid of, we’re about out at the slo residence. just sayin’

[haggard]

1 hour ago, lo n slo said:

if any of y’all have some unopened packs of toilet paper you’d like to get rid of, we’re about out at the slo residence. just sayin’

I've seen some posts on craigslist for used. A few blemishes but much cheaper 

 

[slonezp]

While Coronavirus may or may not be a threat, we have yet to see. The widespread panic is purely politically motivated. 

The bird flu was going to wipe out the planet. Sars was going to wipe out the planet. West Nile and Zika were going to wipe out the planet....

No better way to control the masses than putting the fear of God into them.

[Boomstick]

It's been over 100 years since since virus caused mass deaths. I survived swine flu, SARS and zika so far. I hate to say it, but shutting everything down really isn't going to stop the spread, it will just slow it at best. Because now it's out there and people still need toilet paper and hand sanitizer and at some point, things will open for business again and now what?

 

There's reportedly 34m cases of influenza last year with 20k-52k deaths. Now, granted if that was Coronavirus using the highest death ratio, we can expect 112k deaths. But we can also expect more people to get treatment, and possibly have better treatment.

 

So I'm going with this whole thing is political. Some people are gonna buy up a ton of stock on the cheap and make a killing whenever it rebounds.

[Brett's_daddy]

I don't know...Italy has quarantined the entire an entire country of 60 million people. I mean it's not just the U.S. shutting stuff down, Europe has been doing it for a few weeks now and America had been resisting until just a couple of days ago, not sure how political it is or not but I'm sure America's politics effect just America and not Europe...especially since it seems we're one of the last major countries to start shutting anything down. To declare this a pandemic means the entire world is affected. Now I'm not saying this thing is not being blown out of proportion or not...that's up to the individual really and what they believe but if I have any loved ones who are older and/or may have an autoimmune disorder I may take it a little more seriously as those are the types of people who this disease seems to be affecting the worst. Regardless, places, organizations and entities across the globe are shutting down and some every day products are becoming hard to come by so this WILL affect everyone in some way. I;m just hoping within a couple of months we'll all be talking about the coronavirus in past tense as in the threat is over and everything will return to normal!

[slonezp]

 

The president asked for 2.5B to combat the virus. He was given 8.3B of which,  1.5B is allocated for other countries. Another .5B to Medicare patients to help them communicate with their doctors via technology. Where's the money going to come from?

[NYWayfarer]

We had a confirmed case in my area. A pharmacist here contracted COVID19 coronavirus while at a seminar in Florida. Before he was diagnosed he administered 7 flu shots and fulfilled 400 prescriptions. They are trying to contact all those folks to have them self quarantine.

 

I expect that we will be the next place our Governor sends the National Guard to quarantine. If you ask me it is past the point of no return for containment. I worry most for my elderly parents and those that have acute respiratory issues.

[Dirtyeggroll]

The mortality rates of threads infected with coronavirus on this website is very high.

 

I just pray that this thing, whatever it is, and it's impact both whatever the media causes and whatever it physically causes is short-lived.

[lo n slo]

BUT WE NEED TOILET PAPER ?

 

 

[TnRiver46]

12 minutes ago, lo n slo said:

BUT WE NEED TOILET PAPER ?

 

 

Don’t you have a sycamore tree in your general vicinity???!

[jbsoonerfan]

30 years ago this would have just been the "super flu" and everyone would have went on about their business. Now with everyone glued to their computer, phone, etc. the media has the ability to put the fear of god in everyone and it seems to be working. I find it laughable at best at the cancellations of concerts, sporting events, etc. We aren't talking about the black plague here, just a type of flu. As mentioned earlier in the thread, there have been many of these in recent years, but with the world we live in, people flip out because of the misinformation being spread on the internet.

 

BTW, they let Magic Johnson play in the 1992 NBA All-Star game after testing positive for HIV and now they are suspending an entire season because of an upper respiratory infection. 

 

We have certainly gone backwards in the last 30 years that is for sure.

[gim]

What is with the TP panic buying in mass quantities anyways?  This thing isn't a gastrointestinal issue, its a respiratory issue.  You're gonna run out of food a lot sooner than TP if the apocalypse starts.  I get the mass purchase of sanitizer but TP I just can't figure out.

[Brett's_daddy]

Here in Vermont where I live our first positive case was from a doctor in a New Hampshire hospital who came back from a vacation in Italy with the symptoms, was told to self-quarantine but disregarded those instructions and attended at least two social functions, one of which was just across the border in Vermont and one of the people who attended this social function with that person now has it. That's how we got our first positive COVID19 case. I won't get political here but I do believe that people who are confirmed to have the disease and told to quarantine and disregard those orders and go out in public places should be able to have charges brought against them...especially a doctor who should know better!!!

[NYWayfarer]

48 minutes ago, gimruis said:

What is with the TP panic buying in mass quantities anyways?  This thing isn't a gastrointestinal issue, its a respiratory issue.  You're gonna run out of food a lot sooner than TP if the apocalypse starts.  I get the mass purchase of sanitizer but TP I just can't figure out.

I assume people are worried about being quarantined in their houses for weeks. If that happened they don't want to run out of TP

[J Francho]

8 hours ago, Koz said:

When the H1N1 virus hit the US in 2009 it wasn't until over 20M Americans were infected and over 1,000 died before our federal government took action.

So, probably a good idea to take action earlier, to prevent a similar outcome.

[gim]

30 minutes ago, NYWayfarer said:

I assume people are worried about being quarantined in their houses for weeks. If that happened they don't want to run out of TP

 

Holy hanna how many CASES of TP do you need though?  Its pure panic purchasing.  You aren't going to go through cases of it in 2 weeks.

[senile1]

A lot of people compare the similarities of the flu and Covid-19.  They are not similar in their mortality rates.  The current mortality rate of Covid-19 is 3.4 percent.  If you are over 60 years old the mortality rate is higher.  The mortality rate of the flu tends to hang around 0.1 percent.  With those figures, the mortality rate of Covid-19 is 34 times more than the flu, and even higher for those over 60.  Those are facts, and ignoring them is misleading.  Take whatever figure you have for deaths from the flu and multiply it by 34 if you want some idea of how lethal this is going to be after it spreads through the population.  Taking a few precautions is the logical thing to do.  

[J Francho]

6 minutes ago, senile1 said:

The mortality rate of the flu tends to hang around 0.1 percent.

Overall, I've read it's much lower, like .05 to .06%.  Whatever was reported a few days ago in raw numbers makes this more than 80 times as fatal as the flu.  Seems simple enough to cancel things that could promote the spread of it.  I don't see that as panic or knee-jerk.  Seems smart.  Bummer about your Knicks tickets, but....

 

I feel bad for all those that work in industries that will be deeply affected.  There will be closures and layoffs.

[senile1]

14 minutes ago, J Francho said:

 

14 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Overall, I've read it's much lower, like .05 to .06%.  Whatever was reported a few days ago in raw numbers makes this more than 80 times as fatal as the flu.  Seems simple enough to cancel things that could promote the spread of it.  I don't see that as panic or knee-jerk.  Seems smart.  Bummer about your Knicks tickets, but....

 

I feel bad for all those that work in industries that will be deeply affected.  There will be closures and layoffs.

I agree that the flu is lower than 0.1 percent mortality.  I just used the highest figure in the range to err on the conservative side with the estimate.  Thirty-four times more would be a minimum, and that is still a lot.

[OCdockskipper]

18 minutes ago, senile1 said:

...With those figures, the mortality rate of Covid-19 is 34 times more than the flu... Those are facts, and ignoring them is misleading...

Im going to correct you because what you are claiming to be facts is what is misleading.

 

The mortality rate of Covid-19 is much lower than originally suggested because the infection rate was mistakenly thought to be lower than it is.  Many people who contracted Covid-19 originally never reported it because they just thought they had the flu.  As the true number of infections is revealed and increases, the mortality rate drops.

 

Further, deaths from the virus of people over 70 and those will health issues is for all intents & purposes all of the deaths.  Tom Hanks and his wife will be fine in less than a week.

[Dirtyeggroll]

Forget it (referring to what I was going to post). There are just too many uncertainties.