Joe Shepherd Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 Has anybody had any luck with putting premium mono larger sizes on spinning reel.. Trying to find a good 15 or 16 that acts like a 12 without jumping off spool.. Braid doesnt work because I'm using soft jerkbait and it knots up.. Tried them all only mono works for this bait just tired of loosing big fish 8+ .. Quote
Super User jimmyjoe Posted March 4, 2020 Super User Posted March 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Joe Shepherd said: just tired of loosing big fish 8+ .. ???? Where are you? Can I go fishing with you? ??? Seriously .... which size of spinning reel are you using? Makes a huge difference. I personally wouldn't use over 12 lb. test mono on even a 4000 size spool. If you go beyond that, I would be talking saltwater size spools. Fresh water spinning gear is not made to use heavy lines. By that, I mean large diameter lines. Those are handled so much more efficiently by casting gear that it just ain't funny. Be that such as it may, the two lines that I found handled best on a 4000 size spool were Magnathin and Berkley Cold Weather. Cold Weather is limp, but it doesn't really like the heat of summer. There was a guy not too long ago on here that said he used 17 lb. mono on a spinning reel. I think .... can't be sure .... that he said Trilene XL. Maybe he'll pop in here and give you some advice. jj Quote
JediAmoeba Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 The problem is that lures you are retrieving without much weight on them aren't really ideal with spinning tackle - That's why we have casting reels. Any time I have used heavy mono line on a spinning reel they are large reels that you throw out and let sit...for fish like carp and catfish. Quote
Joe Shepherd Posted March 4, 2020 Author Posted March 4, 2020 4000 spool and a bait caster cant cast as far as a spin on weightless flukes Quote
JediAmoeba Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Joe Shepherd said: 4000 spool and a bait caster cant cast as far as a spin on weightless flukes It absolutely can. I cast weightless flukes all the time on a baitcaster. They aren't exactly a bfs application unless you are talking the really tiny size. Quote
Russ E Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 i use a medium power extra fast action baitcaster for soft jerkbaits. usually filled with 14 pound fluorocarbon. I have also landed multiple 7 pound plus bass on a spinning setup with 8 pound mono or copoly. I am curious, on how you keep breaking off with 12 pound line. Bass are not strong fighters compared to other species. Possible knot issues? I am anal about constantly checking the line and the knot. I have had Fish spit the lure, but I can't recall the last big fish that broke off. Even fishing around zebra mussels, wood, or weeds. 1 Quote
Joe Shepherd Posted March 4, 2020 Author Posted March 4, 2020 Its when they run to the boat with shortline line out catch 5s and under with ease just want a little more if I can get it and yes I know you can cast one on a baitcaster but its not even close to as far as a spin especially in a head wind.. Tried 16# sunline super natural last weekend and it knotted up at first but after it broke in it was descent and same diameter as the 12 big game I'm using... I just need this for Sam Rayburn theres alot of giants there and I fish it in Heavy Cover and open water with great results just need a little more insurance. Quote
Super User jimmyjoe Posted March 4, 2020 Super User Posted March 4, 2020 23 minutes ago, Joe Shepherd said: Tried sunline super natural last weekend and it knotted up at first Something is wrong here. jj Quote
Joe Shepherd Posted March 4, 2020 Author Posted March 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, jimmyjoe said: Something is wrong here. jj 16# Quote
Ppennin986 Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 I use 12lbs copoly on all my spinning reels Quote
Super User jimmyjoe Posted March 4, 2020 Super User Posted March 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, Joe Shepherd said: 16# I mean the knotting up. Mono shouldn't knot up, especially that size mono. Maybe the line is spooled backwards from the supply spool. With a 4000 size spool (which you said you have) you shouldn't have any of the problems you describe. I have no idea what's going on. ☹️☹️☹️ jj p.s. - Maybe a frozen line roller????? Quote
NittyGrittyBoy Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 So describe to us your rod and reel, and the bait your throwing in more detail. That way we can help you more. Fluke on spinning rod is a generic answer. Brand, length, power, hook/bait etc.. If your losing fish on what your describing the guys here are right, something's off kilter Quote
Super User MN Fisher Posted March 4, 2020 Super User Posted March 4, 2020 If you're going to use heavier mono/FC/copoly on a spinning reel 1) Make sure to spool it up correctly - on the reel the same way it comes off the source-spool. 2) Invest in a good Line/Lure conditioner. It'll help with memory. I use nothing but KVD 3) Consider trying to stay with lighter line - I won't go above 12# on spinning reels and try to stay to 10# and under 1 Quote
garroyo130 Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Joe Shepherd said: just tired of loosing big fish 8+ .. How are you losing the fish? line snaps? If thats the case loosen your drag ... 2 Quote
Super User jimmyjoe Posted March 4, 2020 Super User Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) How exactly are you losing these big fish? Abrasion? Line snaps in two? Knot gives way? Those are all reasons to look at larger diameter line. But there are all separate and distinct problems. They all have different solutions. One other thing: sometimes a heavy drag won't activate quickly enough when you're catching a bigger fish with short line out. The drag then needs to be reduced, but only a critical amount. Not too little and not too much. Could the drag be the problem? jj Edited March 4, 2020 by jimmyjoe I can see that I type too slow! Quote
Joe Shepherd Posted March 4, 2020 Author Posted March 4, 2020 I know how to spool it. And I got something that works good and has been for years. I just want something better.. Need to be able to cast in Heavy cover and open clean water at same time with casting distance ... Spent over 300 in braid fluoro setups and they work more then good at first but the slack line with a weightless fluke they can't handle the all day stress of the semi slack line 4 minutes ago, garroyo130 said: How are you losing the fish? line snaps? If thats the case loosen your drag ... More of a case of line drags at max were it wont pull on hookset... Always after a full day of fishing and line been soaked 7 minutes ago, jimmyjoe said: How exactly are you losing these big fish? Abrasion? Line snaps in two? Knot gives way? Those are all reasons to look at larger diameter line. But there are all separate and distinct problems. They all have different solutions. One other thing: sometimes a heavy drag won't activate quickly enough when you're catching a bigger fish with short line out. The drag then needs to be reduced, but only a critical amount. Not too little and not too much. Could the drag be the problem? jj When they run to the boat so fast you cant do anything but reel in slack and your drag is a low as you wanna go for the hookset its a problem Quote
garroyo130 Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 not sure what the right answer here is to be honest but from what i can see either ... a. get heavier lb test mono b. go to braid c. go to baitcaster where you can thumb the spool on hookset but still keep a looser drag 1 Quote
Super User jimmyjoe Posted March 4, 2020 Super User Posted March 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, garroyo130 said: not sure what the right answer here is to be honest but from what i can see either ... a. get heavier lb test mono b. go to braid c. go to baitcaster where you can thumb the spool on hookset but still keep a looser drag Yes, but the OP already has line that SHOULD be plenty for what he's describing, and he already said that he has used braid, but wants something better. And he doesn't like using casting reels into the wind. Like I said ..... I dunno. I'm lost. jj Quote
garroyo130 Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 1 minute ago, jimmyjoe said: Yes, but the OP already has line that SHOULD be plenty for what he's describing, and he already said that he has used braid, but wants something better. And he doesn't like using casting reels into the wind. Like I said ..... I dunno. I'm lost. jj Rod has to match drag has to match line in this case the rod isnt breaking and the drag isnt slipping ... so the line is the weak link Quote
Super User jimmyjoe Posted March 4, 2020 Super User Posted March 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, Joe Shepherd said: When they run to the boat so fast you cant do anything but reel in slack and your drag is a low as you wanna go for the hookset its a problem Set your drag medium. When you need an instantaneous "bite" to set the hook in awkward circumstances, put your middle finger down on the skirt of the spool, or use the free hand on the spool. Very effective. jj Quote
Super User soflabasser Posted March 4, 2020 Super User Posted March 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Joe Shepherd said: Has anybody had any luck with putting premium mono larger sizes on spinning reel.. Trying to find a good 15 or 16 that acts like a 12 without jumping off spool.. Braid doesnt work because I'm using soft jerkbait and it knots up.. Tried them all only mono works for this bait just tired of loosing big fish 8+ .. I use Berkeley Big Game Mono on some of my spinning reels and it works great. 1 Quote
Joe Shepherd Posted March 4, 2020 Author Posted March 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, garroyo130 said: not sure what the right answer here is to be honest but from what i can see either ... a. get heavier lb test mono b. go to braid c. go to baitcaster where you can thumb the spool on hookset but still keep a looser drag If it worked in the wind as good as a spin I would love to have the option to thumb the spool .. Yes need a thicker mono.. Cant lower drag anymore with the gamakatsu superline hook its about as thick as a flipping hook Quote
garroyo130 Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Joe Shepherd said: If it worked in the wind as good as a spin I would love to have the option to thumb the spool .. Yes need a thicker mono.. Cant lower drag anymore with the gamakatsu superline hook its about as thick as a flipping hook Why superline hoook on mono? The purpose of superline hooks is so that they wont bend under the reduced stretch of braid ... Go to a thinner hook Quote
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