Southcoast Bassin Posted March 3, 2020 Author Posted March 3, 2020 Again ... shared with Shimano rep What he’s saying false... Sure there are kits .. For the older model Metanium! This has nothing to do with the Chronarch. The Chronarch has brass gears. In fact the same gears that he’s referring to with problems are isolated to the older model Metanium. What he also does not know is that the same gears in the Chronarch are the gears that are in the 2020 New Metanium MGL. The Curado K gears are definitely NOT an upgrade over the Chronarch Need to get your facts straight....
Super User iabass8 Posted March 3, 2020 Super User Posted March 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, CapeCodSox said: Again ... shared with Shimano rep What he’s saying false... Sure there are kits .. For the older model Metanium! This has nothing to do with the Chronarch. The Chronarch has brass gears. In fact the same gears that he’s referring to with problems are isolated to the older model Metanium. What he also does not know is that the same gears in the Chronarch are the gears that are in the 2020 New Metanium MGL. The Curado K gears are definitely NOT an upgrade over the Chronarch Need to get your facts straight.... Again, my god....do some leg work buddy. there's two separate kits for this as I clearly stated above. chronarch mgl gear buzz-fix curado k gears http://www.tackletour.net/viewtopic.php?t=74529&start=45 Chronarch MGL gear issue http://www.tackletour.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=77823 Met+chronarch buzz issues-replacing /w K gears solved issue https://www.tackletour.net/viewtopic.php?t=77744&start=15 chronarch mgl gears done bad needed to be sent back http://www.tackletour.net/viewtopic.php?t=80927 half way down-user complains chronarch is geary http://www.tackletour.net/viewtopic.php?t=79018&start=60 I'm going to stop searching for you at this point. if you actually , god forbid here, take 30 seconds and look this up, you'd know what it is i'm exactly referring to. This isn't something new, even though you seem dumbfounded by it . Been an issue for 3 years now. Is it worse on the Met? Definitely. There's plenty of folk who have no issues /w their Chronarch...but there's also a fair share of complaints against them. It's like people have to be spoon fed information instead of looking things up on their own anymore. Since shimano isn't going to the classic, ask your "shimano rep" about your jdm reels. 2
Southcoast Bassin Posted March 3, 2020 Author Posted March 3, 2020 I don’t need to read anything... I just spoke with Brian at tackle trap. He forgot more about these reels than you know .... He works on them everyday ! Ill put $10,000 up as a bet here.... The Curado K gears will NOT fit the Chronarch !!! In fact the same gears in the Chronarch are excellent! And furthermore the same gears are in The new Bantam and the new Metanium ! Your statement about Curado K gears replacing Chronarch gears are false They would not even fit on a Chronarch And yes the Chronarch gears are the upgrade to the older Metanium gears... That’s the facts ... period. Curado K gears are not even close to the high quality brass gears in the Chronarch , Bantam or new 2020 Metanium.
Super User FishTank Posted March 4, 2020 Super User Posted March 4, 2020 Fast forward to 22:50. And see the difference between the Met gears and the Curado. On another topic....I recently purchased a used JDM Antares HG 2012 which had the sort of geary feeling that people talk about. I was convinced that I just needed a new set of gears like everyone else has mentioned. I called Shimano and I asked the question... Is there a US equivalent in parts for my reel? And their answer was, "No. Despite their simalarites, JDM reels can be produced with different parts that vary from market to market, especially the gears. I would need to contact Shimano Japan for parts or send it in and wait up to 2-3 months for the repair as they would have to contact Shimano Japan for the correct parts. They do not keep or use JDM parts or schematics." After taking the reel apart a few times, as sort of mentioned in the above video, I found the pinion support bearings were bad (busted actually) but I still need a new set of gears as they are just worn. I ordered the new bearings (still waiting on the pinion and main gear) , replaced the bearings and the geary feeling is 99% gone. This is just my guess but the plastic ring that is located in front of the spool side pinion support bearing is somehow causing the damage. I also noticed that the plastic ring has two different sides. I'm sure that makes some kind of difference. It would be easy to miss when taking the reel apart. My suggestion is to look at the bearings first before changing the gears.
johnD. Posted March 4, 2020 Posted March 4, 2020 37 minutes ago, FishTank said: Fast forward to 22:50. And see the difference between the Met gears and the Curado. On another topic....I recently purchased a used JDM Antares HG 2012 which had the sort of geary feeling that people talk about. I was convinced that I just needed a new set of gears like everyone else has mentioned. I called Shimano and I asked the question... Is there a US equivalent in parts for my reel? And their answer was, "No. Despite their simalarites, JDM reels can be produced with different parts that vary from market to market, especially the gears. I would need to contact Shimano Japan for parts or send it in and wait up to 2-3 months for the repair as they would have to contact Shimano Japan for the correct parts. They do not keep or use JDM parts or schematics." After taking the reel apart a few times, as sort of mentioned in the above video, I found the pinion support bearings were bad (busted actually) but I still need a new set of gears as they are just worn. I ordered the new bearings (still waiting on the pinion and main gear) , replaced the bearings and the geary feeling is 99% gone. This just my guess but the plastic ring that is located in front of the spool side pinion support bearing is somehow causing the damage. I also noticed that the plastic ring has two different sides. I'm sure that makes some kind of difference. It would be easy to miss when taking the reel apart. My suggestion is to look at the bearings first before changing the gears. Did you try , Plat ? They have a pretty extensive list of parts and ship quick. https://www.plat.co.jp/shop/catalog/partsorder.php?products_id=910
Super User FishTank Posted March 4, 2020 Super User Posted March 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, johnD. said: Did you try , Plat ? They have a pretty extensive list of parts and ship quick. https://www.plat.co.jp/shop/catalog/partsorder.php?products_id=910 Yes, sort of. I think that is where the gears are coming from. The guy I purchased the reel from offered to buy them. I sent him Plat's website and schematics. They should be here next week. I bought the bearings from Shimano US though.
Southcoast Bassin Posted March 4, 2020 Author Posted March 4, 2020 Ok I watched it ... thank you... This is an older model Metanium with aluminum gears. Definitely not the new Chronarch brass Gears...that we are discussing. In fact the new 2020 Metanium now has the same brass gears as the Chronarch and the new Bantam. ianass8 is saying the gears in the Curado are superior to the new Brass gears in the Chronarch And he could not be more wrong And No they do not make a kit with Curado gears to replace the Chronarchs What would be the point ... ? Thats like dropping a straight 6 into a Corvette. The Chronarch , New Bantam and New Metanium all have the same new brass gears. They are FAR superior to gears in a Curado.
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted March 4, 2020 Super User Posted March 4, 2020 For what it's worth, and it may not be a lot, but the Curado K main gear is about $6 more from Shimano than the Bantam/Chronarch MGL main gear. I don't know that cost relates to quality but it is something to consider.
Southcoast Bassin Posted March 4, 2020 Author Posted March 4, 2020 I’ve had had extensive conversations with several guys that work on these reels day in and day out. There is a reason why Shimano uses the same brass gears in all 3 of the new higher end reels. Because they are stronger .. last longer and are lighter. Mentanium MGL 2020 Bantam MGL Chronarch MGL They all use the same brass gears. Im not at all saying the Curado K is a bad reel.... Its $179 reel... Great for the $ However .... It’s not in the same conversation as these 3 higher end reels. Most importantly I was calling him out for making a statement that they sell a kit with Curado gears to replace Chronarch MGL gears. That is completely wrong !
Southcoast Bassin Posted March 4, 2020 Author Posted March 4, 2020 4 hours ago, iabass8 said: Again, my god....do some leg work buddy. there's two separate kits for this as I clearly stated above. chronarch mgl gear buzz-fix curado k gears http://www.tackletour.net/viewtopic.php?t=74529&start=45 Chronarch MGL gear issue http://www.tackletour.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=77823 Met+chronarch buzz issues-replacing /w K gears solved issue https://www.tackletour.net/viewtopic.php?t=77744&start=15 chronarch mgl gears done bad needed to be sent back http://www.tackletour.net/viewtopic.php?t=80927 half way down-user complains chronarch is geary http://www.tackletour.net/viewtopic.php?t=79018&start=60 I'm going to stop searching for you at this point. if you actually , god forbid here, take 30 seconds and look this up, you'd know what it is i'm exactly referring to. This isn't something new, even though you seem dumbfounded by it . Been an issue for 3 years now. Is it worse on the Met? Definitely. There's plenty of folk who have no issues /w their Chronarch...but there's also a fair share of complaints against them. It's like people have to be spoon fed information instead of looking things up on their own anymore. Since shimano isn't going to the classic, ask your "shimano rep" about your jdm reels. All these issues .... There are 3 and what we don’t know is what the hell these guys are throwing on these reels... I sure as hell am not going to throw 2 to 3 ounce baits on a Chronarch That’s what the Bantam is for ... And Again.... I will stress with confidence. You cannot replace all the Chronarch gears with Curado K gears. They don’t even fit in the reel...
Super User J Francho Posted March 4, 2020 Super User Posted March 4, 2020 Spit on the American gears and it will be as smooth and quiet as the JDM gears. Just like the timing belt on my ‘77 Impala I had back in the 90s. For now, we’re done here. It’s beyond informative and just a ticking match. 2
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