paddle holder

[Jonas Staggs]

So my kayak is a SIS, it has a paddle holder on the side, that is a bungee cord you pull over a single hook clip. when I put the paddle in it, the paddle is in the water a bit, and this causes me to swirl to one side. So I am looking to try and install a new paddle holder that will keep the paddle completely out of the water. Along with a new paddle holder Im also looking to make other modifications like attaching a milk crate or what not. So I am wondering, how are you guys attaching things to your kayak? I am a bit worried about drilling holes into it and have water leak in or what not. How are you guys waterproofing the holes you put into your kayak? I was thinking of maybe bolts with washers and silicone?

[Dens228]

I'm not familiar with the SIS.  It doesn't have gear tracks?

Haha, I'm a dummy this morning...

 

SIS= Sit in side.........

 

I don't know how you'd do it without drilling a hole or two.  It's not a big deal. My first kayak I dreaded it.  Now I don't give it a second thought.  Well nuts or silicone. 

[Jonas Staggs]

5 hours ago, Dens228 said:

I'm not familiar with the SIS.  It doesn't have gear tracks?

Haha, I'm a dummy this morning...

 

SIS= Sit in side.........

 

I don't know how you'd do it without drilling a hole or two.  It's not a big deal. My first kayak I dreaded it.  Now I don't give it a second thought.  Well nuts or silicone. 

SIS, sit inside yes, the kayak is very similar to the SIS pelican or lifetime kayaks. 

 

No way around not drilling a hole into it. I got no issue doing that, I can build things etc. I have no experience with drilling waterproof holes though.

 

Since its a SIS, I have access to the inside, so I am thinking possibly to use a washer with silicion. Ideally it should sit flush and the silicone would keep it water tight.

 

Came across a video last night of a guy using rubber washers. 

[J Francho]

SINK = Sit INside Kayak.  Never heard the acronym SIS used before. 

 

Is that big hole you crawl in to sit in your kayak waterproof?  If it's above the waterline, it's not a big deal.  Use some aquarium grade silicone to seal the hardware if you're really worried about it. 

 

It's more important to use SS fasteners for your accessories,

[Jonas Staggs]

8 minutes ago, J Francho said:

SINK = Sit INside Kayak.  Never heard the acronym SIS used before. 

 

Is that big hole you crawl in to sit in your kayak waterproof?  If it's above the waterline, it's not a big deal.  Use some aquarium grade silicone to seal the hardware if you're really worried about it. 

 

It's more important to use SS fasteners for your accessories,

ok so sounds like silicone is the way to go, ill give it a go, thanks.

[michaelb]

As noted, you do have a large hole on top of the boat already. I would put silicone on the bolts though, that does seem like a good idea. But I get the drilling holes makes us all nervous, and with a SIS (or any kayak really), until you actually use it out fishing you don't really know where you want stuff. So I would think about using gear track and installing that with bolts (some come with backing plates) since you have easy access to the inside. Then you could mount what you want in the gear track and move it around as you want, and depending on where you put it, you can get one or more accessories per track. they don't have to symmetrical either, so you could go with track on the left in front and on the right in the rear behind you. You can then also remove the stuff if you have to flip the boat up on a rack.

 

For a paddle holder, I really like the yak attack rotogrip.

 

https://www.yakattack.us/YakAttack_Paddle_Holder_p/grp-1001.htm

 

 

[Jonas Staggs]

4 hours ago, michaelb said:

As noted, you do have a large hole on top of the boat already. I would put silicone on the bolts though, that does seem like a good idea. But I get the drilling holes makes us all nervous, and with a SIS (or any kayak really), until you actually use it out fishing you don't really know where you want stuff. So I would think about using gear track and installing that with bolts (some come with backing plates) since you have easy access to the inside. Then you could mount what you want in the gear track and move it around as you want, and depending on where you put it, you can get one or more accessories per track. they don't have to symmetrical either, so you could go with track on the left in front and on the right in the rear behind you. You can then also remove the stuff if you have to flip the boat up on a rack.

 

For a paddle holder, I really like the yak attack rotogrip.

 

https://www.yakattack.us/YakAttack_Paddle_Holder_p/grp-1001.htm

 

 

 

 

Good suggestions, and exactly, drilling some holes makes me nervous cause if I mess up, well now theres a hole there. Despite it being above the water line level, water still splashes over and what not, which means drips could get in so I prefer to keep it water tight. Those tracks would be really great to have on a kayak, but I am not sure if they would work on mine as the sides of it are rounded, and those tracks are straight, so I really dont think putting them on the sides will be possible. At this point the only thing I am really interested in doing is adding a new paddle holder, and a milk crate to the back, and perhaps one of those rod holders that pivots in the front as well. Other than that I think I should be good. My kayak i got used, it doesnt even have a brand on it, but its similar in design to this one, but there are no storage compartments on it, just some bungees in the front. But its still awesome to get it out on the water.

 

 

 

[CountryboyinDC]

Believe me, @Dens228, and @J Francho, you're worrying too much about the holes.  I would worry more about the fastener protrusion under the deck and it tearing up your legs or something.  If your kayak is like the one pictures, it should be drier than a SOT, but it has a fairly large cockpit opening and no means for a sea skirt.  Even the WW and touring kayaks with skirts are rarely completely dry after a paddle.

For gear track, that helps you because you can take things on and off and are left with a much less obtrusive piece once you take your accessories off.  @michaelb's suggestion about track with backing plates mitigates this risk. If the contours of your kayak make this hard, use a shorter piece or something like a Yak Attack Mighty Mount. 

Adding a crate might be difficult in your case.  You probably don't have a tankwell (I know some like the Bonafide SINK and the Jackson Kilroy do, but most don't).  The crate will be sitting behind and above you, and nothing will be very easily accessed.  It's better to go with a flush mount rod holder behind you and the tackle storage inside the kayak with you.  If you were dreaming of taking a dozen rods and a mountain of tackle, your kayak is going to end up looking like this guy.

[Dens228]

1 hour ago, CountryboyinDC said:

Believe me, @Dens228, and @J Francho, you're worrying too much about the holes.  I would worry more about the fastener protrusion under the deck and it tearing up your legs or something.  If your kayak is like the one pictures, it should be drier than a SOT, but it has a fairly large cockpit opening and no means for a sea skirt.  Even the WW and touring kayaks with skirts are rarely completely dry after a paddle.

For gear track, that helps you because you can take things on and off and are left with a much less obtrusive piece once you take your accessories off.  @michaelb's suggestion about track with backing plates mitigates this risk. If the contours of your kayak make this hard, use a shorter piece or something like a Yak Attack Mighty Mount. 

Adding a crate might be difficult in your case.  You probably don't have a tankwell (I know some like the Bonafide SINK and the Jackson Kilroy do, but most don't).  The crate will be sitting behind and above you, and nothing will be very easily accessed.  It's better to go with a flush mount rod holder behind you and the tackle storage inside the kayak with you.  If you were dreaming of taking a dozen rods and a mountain of tackle, your kayak is going to end up looking like this guy.

I wasn't worried about the holes at all.  I said I was the first time I ever had to work on a kayak.  Now it's not even a thought.  You know, like how in my response I said, "It's not a big deal"  LOL

[J Francho]

I'm not sure where I was worried about the holes either?

On 2/24/2020 at 1:38 PM, J Francho said:

If it's above the waterline, it's not a big deal.

 

[CountryboyinDC]

29 minutes ago, J Francho said:

I'm not sure where I was worried about the holes either?

Sorry, that wasn't how meant it for you and @Dens228.  I meant to say heed the advice of the 2 other people who have said don't worry about holes above the waterline.

[Jonas Staggs]

On 2/26/2020 at 3:28 AM, CountryboyinDC said:

Believe me, @Dens228, and @J Francho, you're worrying too much about the holes.  I would worry more about the fastener protrusion under the deck and it tearing up your legs or something.  If your kayak is like the one pictures, it should be drier than a SOT, but it has a fairly large cockpit opening and no means for a sea skirt.  Even the WW and touring kayaks with skirts are rarely completely dry after a paddle.

For gear track, that helps you because you can take things on and off and are left with a much less obtrusive piece once you take your accessories off.  @michaelb's suggestion about track with backing plates mitigates this risk. If the contours of your kayak make this hard, use a shorter piece or something like a Yak Attack Mighty Mount. 

Adding a crate might be difficult in your case.  You probably don't have a tankwell (I know some like the Bonafide SINK and the Jackson Kilroy do, but most don't).  The crate will be sitting behind and above you, and nothing will be very easily accessed.  It's better to go with a flush mount rod holder behind you and the tackle storage inside the kayak with you.  If you were dreaming of taking a dozen rods and a mountain of tackle, your kayak is going to end up looking like this guy.

 

thanks for all your input and definitely things to take into consideration. accessing the crate behind me will be very difficult. I figure it what goes back there will be things used infrequently, and short trip to shore will be necessary to access it. That still beats cramming everything down in the cockpit or not taking it at all. I was originally hoping to bring 3 rods. But I might have to drop that down to 2. 

[Dens228]

2 hours ago, Jonas Staggs said:

 

thanks for all your input and definitely things to take into consideration. accessing the crate behind me will be very difficult. I figure it what goes back there will be things used infrequently, and short trip to shore will be necessary to access it. That still beats cramming everything down in the cockpit or not taking it at all. I was originally hoping to bring 3 rods. But I might have to drop that down to 2. 

I can't count how many times I change my configurations and locations on my kayaks.  What seems good in my head doesn't always work out when I sit on it on my garage floor, and then works out even less on the water.  Although I am getting much better at my layouts on first tries.