Harold Scoggins Posted February 23, 2020 Posted February 23, 2020 Well, after going through a few jigs, I think I got this. (The ones that failed will be made into purple jigs.) I had no problems with painting and curing the base coat. (Silver/Black Foundation or what is otherwise known as silver vein.) The problem came when I started the second coat of Illusion paint. I usually preheat the jig (1/2 oz) for 15 seconds before putting it in the fluid bed, but the second coat was coming out too dark, almost a solid purple. I then started cutting back on the preheat time, 1 second at a time for each jig attempted. I also changed up heat sources, going from a heat gun to a torch. After several attempts, I finally got the look I was looking for. (Second pic, foreground.) The heat gun at 13 seconds gave the best results. Cure base coat at 350 deg for 8 minutes and second coat at 400 deg for 10 minutes. Will this work for you? That depends on you, your heat source, and your oven's actual temperature. About the only thing I can recommend is to take notes on what you did for each attempt and don't give up. 7 Quote
Global Moderator 12poundbass Posted February 27, 2020 Global Moderator Posted February 27, 2020 Those look pretty darn cool! 1 Quote
Global Moderator Bluebasser86 Posted March 1, 2020 Global Moderator Posted March 1, 2020 I preheat mine in the toaster oven. Have to use gloves to dip them is the downside but it gets the best coat imo. 2 Quote
Harold Scoggins Posted March 1, 2020 Author Posted March 1, 2020 4 hours ago, Bluebasser86 said: I preheat mine in the toaster oven. Have to use gloves to dip them is the downside but it gets the best coat imo. Looks good. What is the skirt called and where can I get if you don't mind me asking. I'm using the heat gun to preheat the black/silver foundation, found it to give a better look with the black part. After curing I then use the toaster oven to preheat for the illusion dip. I've been changing up the preheat temps for the illusion and am now satisfied with 285-290 degrees. (this is one process where I had to use an oven thermometer) One thing is sure, this stuff is not like the one color Pro Tec paints, I've found it to very picky in it's handling. Even the way you dip the Illusion will vary the finish. I've been wanting to drop test this paint to compare it against the Pro Tec, but they look too good to do that. Quote
Global Moderator Bluebasser86 Posted March 1, 2020 Global Moderator Posted March 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Harold Scoggins said: Looks good. What is the skirt called and where can I get if you don't mind me asking. https://fishingskirts.com/product/black-blue-264-280/ 1 Quote
InfantryMP Posted March 5, 2020 Posted March 5, 2020 I ran a powder coating business in southeast GA for 5 years. The illusion colors you speak of. Are they true illusion? or just a candy color? If it is powder, then illusions only activate with a clear. The heavier you apply the clear, the darker the color will turn out. I would imagine since you are using the vein that you are applying a candy layer on top of that and not a true "illusion" powder, unless you are adding all three layers of course. The clear on an illusion color just literally should be a dusting to make the color change happen. If I can help in anyway just message me. Quote
Harold Scoggins Posted March 7, 2020 Author Posted March 7, 2020 On 3/5/2020 at 9:22 AM, InfantryMP said: I would imagine since you are using the vein that you are applying a candy layer on top of that and not a true "illusion" powder BOSS is calling it an illusion powder, but when I first got it, it looked and covered a lot like the candy powders that Pro Tec sells. Quote
Super User smalljaw67 Posted March 7, 2020 Super User Posted March 7, 2020 Harold, you did a great job with those heads, it truly is a learning process. I was able to do the same thing with silver vein paint I had from Columbia coatings and then I'd go over it with a candy color. Now I do have a question for you, have you tried that on any smaller jig like in the 1/8oz to 1/4oz range? Also wondering if the foundation color works in a fluid bed? The silver vein paint I have doesn't come out in a fluid bed, it ends up being a very dark silver color, no veining at all. The smaller heads also don't do well, it really needs a 3/8oz head or larger for it to work well. I'm asking these questions as I'm wondering if the jig armor foundation paint is different from the silver vein I have from Columbia coatings. Quote
Harold Scoggins Posted March 7, 2020 Author Posted March 7, 2020 1 hour ago, smalljaw67 said: Harold, you did a great job with those heads, it truly is a learning process. I was able to do the same thing with silver vein paint I had from Columbia coatings and then I'd go over it with a candy color. Now I do have a question for you, have you tried that on any smaller jig like in the 1/8oz to 1/4oz range? Also wondering if the foundation color works in a fluid bed? The silver vein paint I have doesn't come out in a fluid bed, it ends up being a very dark silver color, no veining at all. The smaller heads also don't do well, it really needs a 3/8oz head or larger for it to work well. I'm asking these questions as I'm wondering if the jig armor foundation paint is different from the silver vein I have from Columbia coatings. I've only done it on 1/2oz as that is the only size jigs I use. The foundation does not work in a fluid bed, tried it on the first couple of jigs and there was hardly any black in the silver. For some reason there is separation of the black when using a fluid bed. I poured the foundation back into a small container, stirred it with a stick and dipped the jigs into that, they came out fine after that. I've never used silver vein before, so I don't know if there is a difference or not. Quote
Super User smalljaw67 Posted March 8, 2020 Super User Posted March 8, 2020 14 hours ago, Harold Scoggins said: I've only done it on 1/2oz as that is the only size jigs I use. The foundation does not work in a fluid bed, tried it on the first couple of jigs and there was hardly any black in the silver. For some reason there is separation of the black when using a fluid bed. I poured the foundation back into a small container, stirred it with a stick and dipped the jigs into that, they came out fine after that. I've never used silver vein before, so I don't know if there is a difference or not. Thank you for that info. That means the silver vein I have from Columbia Coatings is probably the same. I was wondering if their foundation was a plain silver vein or if they had something a little different. 1 Quote
Harold Scoggins Posted March 9, 2020 Author Posted March 9, 2020 22 hours ago, smalljaw67 said: Thank you for that info. That means the silver vein I have from Columbia Coatings is probably the same. I was wondering if their foundation was a plain silver vein or if they had something a little different. Did some orange illusion last night. 2 Quote
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