BPT Lake Eufaula

[Hawkeye21]

On 2/11/2020 at 9:45 AM, Jim- Indiana said:

I agree, but changes now need to breed other changes!  Thrift and Wheeler are now being punished in the heavy hitters deal, as they are getting eliminated from having the extra day to catch a big fish towards that event .... they need to make it the big fish in the first 2 days only.

I don't see it as being punished.  They just guaranteed themselves money by going straight to the championship day.  There is no guarantee that they would catch big enough bass for the heavy hitters and no guarantee that they would win the heavy hitters.  Not only that, the anglers were the ones who decided on these rules.

[Jim- Indiana]

8 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

My point was that he didn't get a sponsorship so he could use whatever he wants.  Him using three different brands of graphs is a great example as to why he chose not to have a sponsorship.  I think we were saying the same thing.

I wasn't really reacting to any particular comment, just commenting on the as a whole. I am sure of one thing... if I was in the market for electronics, I would pay attention to what Wheeler ends up with, if he pairs it down to one company. He very well may not, and llike certain different qualities of each. I think it is safe to say, that he is honest about what he is using, and not just "plugging" what is on his shirt!

[ryanerb]

I really liked this discussion about Wheelers win, fishing offshore and in muddy water.

It seems like he was just on a ledge or point.

[Team9nine]

What a load of crap (the video) - sorry, just MHO. 

[J Francho]

I'm not even 3 minutes in, and I'm tuning out.  Totally full of it.

[Finessegenics]

24 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

What a load of crap (the video) - sorry, just MHO. 

What do you think he got wrong? 

[Team9nine]

12 minutes ago, Finessegenics said:

What do you think he got wrong? 

Most everything... ?

[J Francho]

It's a bunch of myths that perpetuate the "buy this gear and you'll be better" junk science.  

[ryanerb]

39 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

What a load of crap (the video) - sorry, just MHO. 

Thanks for your honest opinion.

21 minutes ago, J Francho said:

I'm not even 3 minutes in, and I'm tuning out.  Totally full of it.

hmmm

1 minute ago, J Francho said:

It's a bunch of myths that perpetuate the "buy this gear and you'll be better" junk science.  

You mean buying electronics, side scan, etc? I mean... we gotta think electronics DO & CAN help find fish faster, I think that is a known fact? 

 

Sorry guys, I thought it was a decent video, but maybe I missed something if the general consensus here is that its not accurate... 

[A-Jay]

15 minutes ago, Finessegenics said:

What do you think he got wrong? 

Seems like a decent young man.

IMO his channel does a nice job of passing on his experience as an inexperienced bass angler.

Got to start somewhere.

A-Jay

[J Francho]

6 minutes ago, ryanerb said:

You mean buying electronics, side scan, etc? I mean... we gotta think electronics DO & CAN help find fish faster, I think that is a known fact?

Sure, it can go that way, but his claims on what the fish are doing, and his inferences are DEAD wrong, and the explanations to why are actually impossible.  There's a reason he's a tuber and not a pro.  I was surprised he taught fishing.  

 

Example of bunk leaps: I caught a big fish on a junebug worm.  The water was clear, so that's the best color for big fish in clear water.  The bass can see that purple better, which is why it bit the bait.  You should buy only junebug lures if you're fishing clear water.  The bigger fish know that junebug replicates the natural forage and will go a long way to eat it. Ten years ago, green pumpkin was the clear water color, but that's an outdated technique.

[ryanerb]

Just now, J Francho said:

Sure, it can go that way, but his claims on what the fish are doing, and his inferences are DEAD wrong, and the explanations to why are actually impossible.  There's a reason he's a tuber and not a pro.  I was surprised he taught fishing.  

Haha I'm really happy to hear this... I'm still trying to learn fishing and was watching videos from him to learn, but you're implying I'm learning from the wrong source...

 

Unfortunately, many 'tubers' aren't pro, and thus it's questionable how much we should be listening to them.

 

Are you able to provide the 'correct' analysis of how Wheeler was catching offshore fish in cold muddy water? I'm trying to just learn. Or maybe Wheeler himself provides a detailed analysis of the behind the scenes in a different video?

 

The good think about BPT Eufala is that a lot of more 'generic' patterns were being used, such as chatterbaits / spinnerbaits and flippin/punchin for the dirty water. I think its beneficial to watch the pros and learn from them. I think Wheeler just had a slightly different winning tact there at the end and thus the only reason it is more interesting than the rest of what the field was doing. 

[Team9nine]

2 minutes ago, ryanerb said:

Haha I'm really happy to hear this... I'm still trying to learn fishing and was watching videos from him to learn, but you're implying I'm learning from the wrong source...

 

Unfortunately, many 'tubers' aren't pro, and thus it's questionable how much we should be listening to them.

 

Are you able to provide the 'correct' analysis of how Wheeler was catching offshore fish in cold muddy water? I'm trying to just learn. Or maybe Wheeler himself provides a detailed analysis of the behind the scenes in a different video?

Just wait a couple weeks and Jacob will have his own video out on the event. So many things the video doesn’t take into account, including the fact that the water wasn’t cold (58-59 degrees from what Rob N reported during coverage), and it also wasn’t muddy when practice began. 

 

It never hurts to watch and learn all you can from a variety of sources...just realize we live in an age where everyone thinks they know why everything happens - instant online experts 

[ryanerb]

2 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

Just wait a couple weeks and Jacob will have his own video out on the event. So many things the video doesn’t take into account, including the fact that the water wasn’t cold (58-59 degrees from what Rob N reported during coverage), and it also wasn’t muddy when practice began. 

 

It never hurts to watch and learn all you can from a variety of sources...just realize we live in an age where everyone thinks they know why everything happens - instant online experts 

Good points...

 

I think if anything what the BPT shows me is that even the pros can struggle, and there is no 'perfect' answer or equation to follow. It is 'fish' we are dealing with here, and even one of the announcers said something like 'only the fish and God know where the fish are and what they want' etc. 

 

It made me feel good to see pros like KVD and Ike and Lee struggle on some days... I can get too star struck and be like 'if only KVD was here, he could catch the fish I can't...' ... While that may sometimes hold true, watching these guys live obviously proves fishing is tough and there is no 'magic bullet' / answer. 

[RichF]

I don't think this kid is saying anything that the "pros" don't.  Sounds pretty standard.  I'm not really sure what he said that was DEAD wrong considering none of us (even the pros) REALLY know EXACTLY what and why fish do what they do.  That's why we catch them on dark colors in clear water, heavy braid in clear water, big fish on little lures, little fish on big lures, burning cranks in the winter, flipping in a foot of water in 99 degree water, etc. etc...Every angler makes claims about the basses' behavior and tries to explain why he/she catches them at certain times, on certain things, under certain conditions.  You don't have to pay that close of attention to hear contradiction after contradiction when listening to the pros talk.  I give props to the kid for making a video and trying to teach people something.  I'm sure as heck not giving away my secrets to the fishing community.

 

 

[J Francho]

20 minutes ago, RichF said:

I'm not really sure what he said that was DEAD wrong considering none of us (even the pros) REALLY know EXACTLY what and why fish do what they do.

Just one example: They don't move from depths of 20-30 to shallow several times a day.

[RichF]

44 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Just one example: They don't move from depths of 20-30 to shallow several times a day.

Are you referring to the part where he talks about graphing schools in the main channel that eventually move up to the top of the ledge to feed?

[billmac]

I like that channel a lot.  Of course you have to be careful to weigh anything anyone says but I've learned a lot from him, especially about using electronics.  The best channel I've found for that.  I hope he succeeds.

[Jim- Indiana]

I cannot fault him for much, unless using a current well known situation, to drive business to his channel is considered "wrong".  Having fished offshore for most of my 25 yr tournament history, as a whole, he is pretty much dead on.  Although I don't think anyone measured the water clarity to be 3" visibility, the visibility one sees on the surface, is not always consistent throughout the water column ..... depends on inflow, current, wind, etc.  Whatever it was ....it was good enough to be able to catch fish! He was specifically targeting good spawning creeks with minimal inflow, and staging areas that were used as they were moving in. As the "tuber" stated .... he had previously located several of the key spots, and rotated until he found one that was active showing fish, using side imaging, live scope etc, as he had all of the major brands on his boat. The large blades were used for maximum vibration for the fish to sense with their lateral lines. A 1 ounce was used in order to handle the largest blades, and the trailer was likely the most important part. The swim tail swimbait allowed him to slow the retrieve, and it helped hold it up in the water column.... a 1 ounce with a curl tail would have drug on bottom in 7' of water, especially to slow roll it. The difference between what Wheeler and Aveena were doing... Aveena was targeting individual brushpiles that were holding some fish.... not necessarily feeding, but would catch a few if the mood and presentation were correct. ... some maybe not replenishing, or just not biting. Overall .... I think the "tuber" did a pretty good job ..... likely better than JT or Marty, as "offshore" is not their deal ....talking is!

[Tennessee Boy]

The first time I watched one of Jonny Schultz’s videos, I thought he came across as a know it all kid.  He quickly gained my respect.  He had some tournament success at the college level and knows electronics which is more than I can say for most pros.    He has some good offshore videos as well.  

[Jim- Indiana]

1 hour ago, Tennessee Boy said:

The first time I watched one of Jonny Schultz’s videos, I thought he came across as a know it all kid.  He quickly gained my respect.  He had some tournament success at the college level and knows electronics which is more than I can say for most pros.    He has some good offshore videos as well.  

Maybe 9nine and Franco will step up and tell us about Wheeler and his fish, if they think Jonny was so wrong!

 

[jbsoonerfan]

I had never heard of this Jonny guy till this video was posted. I watched part of it and decided to check out his channel. I watched a couple of his videos about down and side imaging and I learned more from a couple of his videos than I have of all the other 30 or so I have watched up to this point. Maybe I just don't know it all so him dumbing it down a bit helped.

[hoosierbass07]

Who cares what he says.  It's fishing!  The good thing is he's taking the time talking about MLF!  That's what we need - more MLF talk!  

[Team9nine]

1 hour ago, Jim- Indiana said:

Maybe 9nine and Franco will step up and tell us about Wheeler and his fish, if they think Jonny was so wrong!

 

Let's be honest here. It was Johnny who stated in his opening comments that Marty and JT, 2 guys with 556 combined professional events under their belt and over $2.65 million in winnings, were the ones "pretty misinformed" and "inaccurate" in their statements and commentary on Wheeler and the event. Granted, he (Johnny) developed the entire "old school" method of finding fish 9 years ago before we had modern depthfinders, so I really hate to question such an angling pioneer, but still, he is entitled to his opinion of them and their analysis (Marty, JT), just like we are of Johnny and his commentary.

 

I do feel sorry for all the guys who probably just learned for the first time that you can't successfully fish Indiana and Colorado blade spinnerbaits deeper than 6-8 ft of water, though (you hear that @Catt ?). To Johnny's credit, while Wheeler used all his units including 360 and Panoptix during the event, and found that spot and those fish in practice while the water was clearer (they just never left), he was primarily focused on his SI units when he first idled over that spot in the third period of that Championship round, though he could also see them on DI/2D. He did fish that spot every day of the event, just unsuccessfully. He's not certain if it was the bait that day, or whether the fish just needed time (a few days) to adjust to the muddying water. I'm sure if he asked him, Johnny could give him that answer.

 

I literally just got off the phone with Wheeler after talking to him for nearly an hour today about the event. He is in the process of shooting a quick video update on baits, tackle, etc. used and how he won before heading off to Florida, so I'll let Jacob handle the specifics and details of his win.

[Bankbeater]

I didn't get all that about light penetrating the water because bass need to see.  How do the bass feed at night I wonder?