Bleeding Fish!!

[fisher21342]

Hey, I just caught a fish, not exactly a bass, but was hoping on some enlightenment. It was a grass carp, pretty big and heavy, but when I took the hook out of the mouth, it started to bleed. I immediately put it back into water and some bubbles came out of the gills, but I assume that's normal since most fish do this. After I let it go it was floating at the top for like 1 or 2 seconds and darted out of sight. My main question is will the bleeding will cause the fish to die? It wasn't a big hook and was cleanly hooked in the upper part of the lip.

[Ksam1234]

3 minutes ago, fisher21342 said:

Hey, I just caught a fish, not exactly a bass, but was hoping on some enlightenment. It was a grass carp, pretty big and heavy, but when I took the hook out of the mouth, it started to bleed. I immediately put it back into water and some bubbles came out of the gills, but I assume that's normal since most fish do this. After I let it go it was floating at the top for like 1 or 2 seconds and darted out of sight. My main question is will the bleeding will cause the fish to die? It wasn't a big hook and was cleanly hooked in the upper part of the lip.

No it should be fine, fish are pretty resilient to be honest, they can handle some tough stuff.. I seen fish with chunks missing from there whole body and swimming fine. Should be ok

[fisher21342]

Thank you for replying

[Sam]

2 hours ago, fisher21342 said:

Hey, I just caught a fish, not exactly a bass, but was hoping on some enlightenment. It was a grass carp, pretty big and heavy, but when I took the hook out of the mouth, it started to bleed. I immediately put it back into water and some bubbles came out of the gills, but I assume that's normal since most fish do this. After I let it go it was floating at the top for like 1 or 2 seconds and darted out of sight. My main question is will the bleeding will cause the fish to die? It wasn't a big hook and was cleanly hooked in the upper part of the lip.

Use hydrogen peroxide or 7-UP to stop bleeding.

[MN Fisher]

5 minutes ago, Sam said:

Use hydrogen peroxide or 7-UP to stop bleeding.

Using soda to help a fish is anecdotal. It might stop the bleeding, but it might do more harm in the long run.

 

Prof. Steven Cooke,  Canadian biologist is currently doing experiments to see if any harm is done to the fish using this method. Many biologists agree with the following point.

 

"Biology professor Solomon David, a fish expert at Louisiana’s Nicholls State University, also weighed in online, saying he has a “difficult time believing this works, and isn’t actually harmful to the fish.”

 

https://carleton.ca/environmentalscience/2019/do-the-dew-for-a-bleeding-fish/

 

Many agree with this point.

"As Dr. David said earlier, the best thing you can do for an ill-hooked fish is to get it back into the water."

 

https://www.themeateater.com/fish/bass/stop-pouring-soda-on-fish-gills

[Team9nine]

Can't wait to see the final report. I think I might have been the first one to take a "scientific literature" look at this and write about it some 10 years ago. They even borrowed my post title (closely), though that might be coincidence.

[MN Fisher]

2 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

I think I might have been the first one to take a "scientific literature" look at this and write about it some 10 years ago.

You got a link to a copy of that?

[Team9nine]

3 minutes ago, MN Fisher said:

You got a link to a copy of that?

Yeah, but I'm not certain I can post it here since it's on my own/personal blog/website.

Can I send it through IM without violating board policy?

 

[MN Fisher]

3 minutes ago, Team9nine said:

Yeah, but I'm not certain I can post it here since it's on my own/personal blog/website.

PM?

 

As someone who studied Aquatic Biology back in college late 70s, I'm always interested in reading things like this.

[Sam]

10 hours ago, MN Fisher said:

Using soda to help a fish is anecdotal. It might stop the bleeding, but it might do more harm in the long run.

 

Prof. Steven Cooke,  Canadian biologist is currently doing experiments to see if any harm is done to the fish using this method. Many biologists agree with the following point.

 

"Biology professor Solomon David, a fish expert at Louisiana’s Nicholls State University, also weighed in online, saying he has a “difficult time believing this works, and isn’t actually harmful to the fish.”

 

https://carleton.ca/environmentalscience/2019/do-the-dew-for-a-bleeding-fish/

 

Many agree with this point.

"As Dr. David said earlier, the best thing you can do for an ill-hooked fish is to get it back into the water."

 

https://www.themeateater.com/fish/bass/stop-pouring-soda-on-fish-gills

Super.

 

You just murdered another fishing myth.

 

Thanks for the research and input.

 

If the data comes out of Louisiana, it has to be right.  

[J Francho]

11 hours ago, Team9nine said:

Yeah, but I'm not certain I can post it here since it's on my own/personal blog/website.

Can I send it through IM without violating board policy?

 

Send it to me, I'll post it, lol.

 

Yes, you should be able to PM it.

 

I've never understood how pouring something that is so bad for you down a fish's gullet would be beneficial.

[DanielG]

5 minutes ago, J Francho said:

I've never understood how pouring something that is so bad for you down a fish's gullet would be beneficial.

Interesting point... then again we stick sharp hooks in their throats too....so.

 

I don't think the 7up thing helps though. Maybe, but why would it? It's carbonated water. Water with bubbles. I like it though. I'll bet Moxie would work. It's the state drink here in Maine. I've seen many people grimace and squish their mouths up into a small pucker when they drink it. It might close an open wound the same way. And it originally started out as a snake oil medicine long ago. Maybe it still has medicinal effects today. It's my favorite soda. My mother in law used to describe it as carbonated tar oil.

[J Francho]

It's the WATER in the beverage that stops the bleeding.  Fish live in water, and their blood coagulates in water.  Some colas had cocaine in them 100 years ago, and it was considered medicinal.  We don't need to cut rails for a bleeding bass, though.

[Scott F]

1 hour ago, DanielG said:

Interesting point... then again we stick sharp hooks in their throats too....so.

 

I don't think the 7up thing helps though. Maybe, but why would it? It's carbonated water. Water with bubbles. I like it though. I'll bet Moxie would work. It's the state drink here in Maine. I've seen many people grimace and squish their mouths up into a small pucker when they drink it. It might close an open wound the same way. And it originally started out as a snake oil medicine long ago. Maybe it still has medicinal effects today. It's my favorite soda. My mother in law used to describe it as carbonated tar oil.

You should be their spokesman. “Moxie, tastes like carbonated tar oil! Mmmmmm”

[J Francho]

Interesting info:

 

https://www.bigindianabass.com/big_indiana_bass/doing-the-dew-to-your-bass.html

 

https://www.bigindianabass.com/big_indiana_bass/2018/03/bleeding-bass-and-soda-an-update.html

[Grim_Reaver]

1 hour ago, J Francho said:

It's the WATER in the beverage that stops the bleeding.  Fish live in water, and their blood coagulates in water.  Some colas had cocaine in them 100 years ago, and it was considered medicinal.  We don't need to cut rails for a bleeding bass, though.

x2

[WRB]

Sure-Life products Catch & Release.....site sponsor.

Tom

[MN Fisher]

10 minutes ago, WRB said:

Sure-Life products Catch & Release.....site sponsor.

Tom

If you've got a live-well...

[Glenn]

1 hour ago, MN Fisher said:

If you've got a live-well...

Not true.  You can take a pinch of Please Release Me Formula and place it directly on the wound. Does the trick.

 

16 hours ago, MN Fisher said:

Using soda to help a fish is anecdotal. It might stop the bleeding, but it might do more harm in the long run.

True.  Soda is NOT made for wildlife.  'Nuff said.

 

15 hours ago, Team9nine said:

Yeah, but I'm not certain I can post it here since it's on my own/personal blog/website.

Yes, you can link to it.

[MN Fisher]

1 minute ago, Glenn said:

Not true.  You can take a pinch of Please Release Me Formula and place it directly on the wound. Does the trick.

Wasn't aware of this usage, @Glenn - thanks for that info.

[AlabamaSpothunter]

Doug Hannon had a cooler with a solution in that he would dip his caught Bass in it before releasing them, imagine it's something like the sure-life product.    Simply dipped them, didn't leave them in there for any time at all. 

 

I'd love for a Spray Bottle solution for the PLEASE RELEASE ME product.  Thinking about if I can break the dilution rate down far enough for a 32oz Spray bottle.   I'd love to give fish a good spray, and then have it for those rare fish that are bleeding or are hooked badly.   The branding says it helps fish recover specifically from hook wounds.    That along with the slime and fungus prevention seem like an ethical step I'd love to add to my fishing catching.    

 

Whatever Hannon was using didn't require for the fish to spend time in a livewell, hoping this stuff is the same way.  

 

ETA:  Old Hannon video.....start at about 2:16

https://youtu.be/QW64lwC_eEY?t=136

[Glenn]

55 minutes ago, AlabamaSpothunter said:

imagine it's something like the sure-life product.

That's because it IS the Please Release Me formula.  Doug Hannon and the maker of Please Release Me were lifetime friends.  Doug provided vital feedback during the development of the formula.

 

Tony Gergley, who is also the owner of Sure-Life Laboratories, still speaks fondly of Doug to this day.

 

[AlabamaSpothunter]

3 minutes ago, Glenn said:

That's because it IS the Please Release Me formula.  Doug Hannon and the maker of Please Release Me were lifetime friends.  Doug provided vital feedback during the development of the formula.

 

Tony Gergley, who is also the owner of Sure-Life Laboratories, still speaks fondly of Doug to this day.

 

Yeah I just wrapped up the entire video and saw that it was indeed the same product.

 

Very interesting video.    I've spent the last 20 mins analyzing my 5lb+ fish and the moon phases lol 

[Glenn]

Doug was a very interesting person. I had many a long conversation with him about so many different topics.  He was a very intelligent man.  Glad I had the privilege of knowing him.

 

[AlabamaSpothunter]

10 minutes ago, Glenn said:

Doug was a very interesting person. I had many a long conversation with him about so many different topics.  He was a very intelligent man.  Glad I had the privilege of knowing him.

 

That's very cool, he seemed like a brilliant man, and more importantly one who dedicated his life to understanding these special fish.  

 

Hopefully someone advances the knowledge base as much as he did decades ago that is still seemingly largely the basis for our current knowledge.