Drag washer question

[Mbirdsley]

Working on cleaning some reels.  Currently working on quantum accurist pti ac100hpt.  The trip ratchet washer was stuck to the trip ratchet.  So I had to peel it off and a little piece came off the washer and stuck to ratchet. ( figure 1 inside red circle). With that little piece missing does that warrant a new washer? Or will this one still good.  Only 2nd reel if taken down and cleaned.  Finished my black max last night and it sweet and way better than new 

[JediAmoeba]

Which washer is it?  

[Mbirdsley]

In my diagram it is washer #53 trip ratchet washer pa111-01.  In your schematic #41

[JediAmoeba]

That one you want to replace.  That washer is part of the drag stack.  It will definitely work without replacing it, but it may not be as smooth and could theoretically stick.

[Mbirdsley]

1 minute ago, JediAmoeba said:

That one you want to replace.  That washer is part of the drag stack.  It will definitely work without replacing it, but it may not be as smooth and could theoretically stick.

I will order it in the morning.  Is that caused from not loosening up the drag During long periods of not using the reel ? 

[Mbirdsley]

Ordered from mikes reel repair.  Also had to get a bearing retAiner ring as it when across the room 

[islandbass]

1 hour ago, Mbirdsley said:

I will order it in the morning.  Is that caused from not loosening up the drag During long periods of not using the reel ? 

Can’t say for sure, but its probably a good idea to back the drag off if you know it won’t be used anytime. I back the drag off at the end of every outing without fail. 

[NOC 1]

12 hours ago, Mbirdsley said:

I will order it in the morning.  Is that caused from not loosening up the drag During long periods of not using the reel ? 

Some of the newer Quantum reels are using an "advanced" ceramic/carbon drag stack. There are a lot of stories out there about these cracking and breaking apart, sometimes when the reel is being used locking up the reel.

 

My bet is that this what you have here. If it were my reel, I would see if I could find a set of Carbontex washers that will fit this reel and replace the entire stack. That ceramic carbon thing not be a good idea.

[Mbirdsley]

1 hour ago, NOC 1 said:

Some of the newer Quantum reels are using an "advanced" ceramic/carbon drag stack. There are a lot of stories out there about these cracking and breaking apart, sometimes when the reel is being used locking up the reel.

 

My bet is that this what you have here. If it were my reel, I would see if I could find a set of Carbontex washers that will fit this reel and replace the entire stack. That ceramic carbon thing not be a good idea.

I will look into that 

[Mbirdsley]

They do not make a carbontex washer set for my accurist or Pflueger supreme bait casters .  However, I could buy a sheet of it and make my own.  I have a stock washer on the way for the accurist . I may wait to upgrade it over the summer if it works fine after I put it back together. 
 

Seeings how there are no kits to upgrade either the accurist or the supreme.  If I chose to do bearings I would have to get the bearing dia Od+Id+Width and one of the companies would have generic sized bearings that I need?
 

go figure you can buy a up grade kit for my black max for 17 bucks.  I don’t know if it’s worth doing? Opinions on that ? 
 

 

[NOC 1]

On 1/12/2020 at 8:10 PM, Mbirdsley said:

They do not make a carbontex washer set for my accurist or Pflueger supreme bait casters .  However, I could buy a sheet of it and make my own.  I have a stock washer on the way for the accurist . I may wait to upgrade it over the summer if it works fine after I put it back together. 
 

Seeings how there are no kits to upgrade either the accurist or the supreme.  If I chose to do bearings I would have to get the bearing dia Od+Id+Width and one of the companies would have generic sized bearings that I need?
 

go figure you can buy a up grade kit for my black max for 17 bucks.  I don’t know if it’s worth doing? Opinions on that ? 
 

 

The only issue with making your own washers would be making sure that the assembled drag stack is the same thickness as the stock setup. If it isn't it will probably affect the way the drag tightens as you torque the drag star.

You might give the guys at The Tackle Trap a call. They might have some ideas for you. I know they have been very helpful to me. Could be that the set you need is the same set used elsewhere and simply not labeled as such.

 

IMO the drag upgrade is worth it. The Carbontex drag is really smooth and consistent and it is a pretty cheap upgrade.

 

As for bearings, most all baitcaster spool bearings are a combo of 4 or 5 different generic sizes. I know that the Pflueger Supreme XT uses a 5x11x4 and a 3x10x4. I'm sure that the regular supreme is the same. A lot of reels use those sizes and many in the same combination. The Daiwa OG Steez, and the Abu Gen 3 REVO SX, to name a couple. I like the ZPI ceramics and the Hedgehog HD versions personally.

[Mbirdsley]

The Pflueger supreme drag definitely needs to be up graded.  I might send tackle trap a message or one of the other reel guys.  After doing this exercise of tearing down 3  my 4 bait casters(. The carbon light is still new).  i can now tell the difference between a $100 reel and a $120 dollar reel.

 

Im not claiming to be a reel expert but, I do have back ground in quality and with working with a lot of engineers in drive Tran components. The reel that impressed me the most was actually the black maxx for its price point.  A lot decent components in there.  I was disappointed by the supreme. The supreme had the most plastic inside and wasn’t a fan of the engineering of it. Honestly if you took all the side plates off and put the black max next to the supreme You would think the supreme was the black max. only thing the supreme has going for it is the aluminum For the frame. 
 

  I’m fairly certain that my black max, supreme, and accurist pt were made at the same plant. Just different   Names, colors on the outside, some component make up. 
 

that quantum is preatty good bang for your buck for a flipping reel.  Just got back from bps and playing around with a bunch of reels The accurist is One of better ones at the $100 mark imho. 
 

waiting on the new washer to come in for the accurist.  Retainer clip came today.
 

 On to the spinning reels. Found out why my spinning accurist wasn’t performing like it should.  Inside basically, turned into greasy soupy mess. Topside sbouvr the pinion was sandy also. Had to order a new drive gear because, I couldn’t  get the handle to screw out 

[Mbirdsley]

So I’m finally done cleaning and re-lubing all my reels. The last one was my Okuma ceymar Spinning reel that I bought last year.  However,  I only used it a couple Of times and after opening it up it looked great inside, still acts, and feels fine. I put some oil in the bearings That I could get to and called it good. not messing with good.  I’ll give it the full treatment next winter or if it acts up. 
 

 lost one retainer ring, one e-ring retainer.  Which, I’m happy about actually.  I have big hands and sometimes things go flying.  Still waiting on my new Oem blue washer for the accurist bait caster. 
 

My quantum Accurist pti size 30 spinning reel was a gift from my grandparents almost 10 years ago.  It finally started acting up after many dunks in the river before I got the boat. I have put oil and grease in It before I knew what I was doing but, it’s never really been serviced.  I have ruined spinning reels before by taking them apart. Originally I wanted to pay somebody to do that spinning reel and my bait casters.  However, it’s only an $80 reel and it just holds sentimental value.  So I tore it completely down and removed every part including inside the bails and gears.  I had to buy a new drive gear as I couldn’t get the handle out of the drive gear after I took the side plate off.  Had to use channel locks which bent the teeth.  New drive gear was only 15 bucks shipped so.  IMHO it was worth it.  With this reel and the others I soaked the bearings in acetone for 24 hrs and than re-oiled with Lucas reel oil.  Degreased all the gears with alcohol and than re-applied penn reel grease. I thought I may need a new anti reverse/ clutch but, I was able to clean it up abd save it.  I did order a new clutch spring As it is 10 yrs old. should be here any day. 
 

all my reels now feel and act brand new including the accurist spinning reel hopefully I can get another ten years out of.  Pictures of before and after.

 

next I’m up grading the drags in my brother and I salmon trolling rods.  A couple are Okuma classics with the majority connvectors  and Magda’s.  They make kits for these 

 

[FordsnFishin]

Good work. 

 

You could still run that drag washer, might feel a bit of jerkiness at times though. I've ran into the same problem with those light blue washers. 

 

Id assume it happened from drag cranked down and washer not being properly greased. Too much friction causing heat and break down. 

 

Replacing the part was the right move.  The carbon drag would be a worthwhile upgrade. However it would be extremely important to maintain the same thickness of everything for it to work properly. 

 

Good luck

[Mbirdsley]

Does carbontex sheets come in differnt thicknesses?  Or Are differnt manufacturers  sheets thicker than others 

? 

[MN Fisher]

4 minutes ago, Mbirdsley said:

Does carbontex sheets come in differnt thicknesses?  Or Are differnt manufacturers  sheets thicker than others 

? 

Two standard sizes are .5mm and 1mm - I have seen .8mm for sale, but the first two cover 99%+ of all your drag-washer needs. Check the specs on the reel itself to see which thickness you need.

[GReb]

I would contact smooth drag and ask. If they don’t have it in stock you can provide the dimensions and they’ll cut you some.  

 

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