MAN Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 How much longer do you think it will be before traditional soft plastics will be completely replaced with biodegradable soft plastics? Both to prevent waste in water bodies and to help prevent fish deaths from swallowed baits? How many years do you give it? Quote
NittyGrittyBoy Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 I hope never. Traditional has worked all these years. Hope they dont change a good thing 2 Quote
Super User MN Fisher Posted January 10, 2020 Super User Posted January 10, 2020 Whenever the producers of plastics decide to 'bite the bullet'...and when the consumers (us) decide to pay the increased prices. How many years? No idea. 1 Quote
Super User QUAKEnSHAKE Posted January 10, 2020 Super User Posted January 10, 2020 Dont think the companies will switch on their own accord but quite sure on who will mandate that the companies change. Just not allowed to mention that stuff on this site so will leave it at that. 5 Quote
Super User FryDog62 Posted January 10, 2020 Super User Posted January 10, 2020 Could be something like the State of California will ban them... then company(s) will come up with biodegradable options that will most likely suck at first. Then other states will jump on the bandwagon which will present a significant revenue opportunity for lure manufacturers to improve/perfect product offerings. The whole process could take years... I’ll say within 3 years California, then another decade as more states change their laws and new/improved products that may work to some degree will roll out. I think more likely with AIS, all live bait (with maybe the exception of worms) will be outlawed in many states in the next couple years... Minnesota being a likely state to start that tide rolling. There, I hopefully crafted this without making it political (but I was very tempted) and getting the thread zapped... 4 Quote
Super User fishballer06 Posted January 10, 2020 Super User Posted January 10, 2020 To completely switch over? 20+ years minimum. Quote
nascar2428 Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 Based off of the OP's reasons. waste in bodies of water and fish deaths. Never. In my opinion lead poses a much bigger threat to the environment and wildlife. 1 Quote
Super User A-Jay Posted January 10, 2020 Super User Posted January 10, 2020 I don't expect to see it . . . A-Jay 5 Quote
Super User J._Bricker Posted January 10, 2020 Super User Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, FryDog62 said: Could be something like the State of California will ban them... then company(s) will come up with biodegradable options that will most likely suck at first. Then other states will jump on the bandwagon which will present a significant revenue opportunity for lure manufacturers to improve/perfect product offerings. The whole process could take years... I’ll say within 3 years California, then another decade as more states change their laws and new/improved products that may work to some degree will roll out. I think more likely with AIS, all live bait (with maybe the exception of worms) will be outlawed in many states in the next couple years... Minnesota being a likely state to start that tide rolling. There, I hopefully crafted this without making it political (but I was very tempted) and getting the thread zapped... It didn’t take 3 years @FryDog62, it already happened. In 2018, California Assemblyman Bill Quirk, D-Hayward introduced AB2787 on February 16, 2018. The bill would outlaw the manufacture, sale, and purchase of lead fishing weights that are under 50 grams. Fortunately, the bill died on the Senate floor in November of 2018. Interestingly enough, six states along with Canada have some form of a ban on lead fishing weights. Quote
Super User FryDog62 Posted January 10, 2020 Super User Posted January 10, 2020 Yes, I certainly expect a ban on lead and live bait before plastics... but anticipate more changes ahead... Maybe we can just make Soylent Green lures someday ? 1 Quote
Vilas15 Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, FryDog62 said: Could be something like the State of California will ban them... then company(s) will come up with biodegradable options that will most likely suck at first. Then other states will jump on the bandwagon which will present a significant revenue opportunity for lure manufacturers to improve/perfect product offerings. The whole process could take years... I’ll say within 3 years California, then another decade as more states change their laws and new/improved products that may work to some degree will roll out. I think more likely with AIS, all live bait (with maybe the exception of worms) will be outlawed in many states in the next couple years... Minnesota being a likely state to start that tide rolling. There, I hopefully crafted this without making it political (but I was very tempted) and getting the thread zapped... I think the issue is moe to do with boats travelling between lakes and things hitching a ride in livewells, less to do with bait from a dealer. As for plastics, i hope somebody figures out a good biodegradable option soon that takes over. Never made sense to me that so much plastic is basically just thrown into the lakes. Metal hooks will eventually disappear many years down the line but not plastics. Quote
BassCats Posted January 11, 2020 Posted January 11, 2020 Couple years back big bite baits and couple others did have biodegradable lures. Nobody bought them so they discontinued the lines. Quote
Super User WRB Posted January 11, 2020 Super User Posted January 11, 2020 8 hours ago, FryDog62 said: Could be something like the State of California will ban them... then company(s) will come up with biodegradable options that will most likely suck at first. Then other states will jump on the bandwagon which will present a significant revenue opportunity for lure manufacturers to improve/perfect product offerings. The whole process could take years... I’ll say within 3 years California, then another decade as more states change their laws and new/improved products that may work to some degree will roll out. I think more likely with AIS, all live bait (with maybe the exception of worms) will be outlawed in many states in the next couple years... Minnesota being a likely state to start that tide rolling. There, I hopefully crafted this without making it political (but I was very tempted) and getting the thread zapped... California could care less about bass, trout or salmon it would happen over night. Tom 2 Quote
JediAmoeba Posted January 11, 2020 Posted January 11, 2020 As long as these biodegradable lures are not GMO's! Quote
Super User Columbia Craw Posted January 11, 2020 Super User Posted January 11, 2020 I totally agree with Tom. Washington and Oregon would enact that law in a heart beat. The lack of recognition for warm water species as relevant game fish in both states already exists. Still, I don't see it happening in my life time. Should I stalk up on Rage Bugs ? BTW: my spent plastics and or bite offs never go in the lake or river. 1 Quote
Super User Boomstick Posted January 13, 2020 Super User Posted January 13, 2020 On 1/10/2020 at 10:40 AM, NittyGrittyBoy said: I hope never. Traditional has worked all these years. Hope they dont change a good thing I will have to disagree. I hope they are replaced, but not because it's been mandated but because someone has discovered a biodegradable option that works just as well if not better and there's literally no need to use anything else. I would be okay with that, let the buyers decide. 5 Quote
schplurg Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 Really, how many do y'all lose? I can't remember losing a single one last year. I have a bag of half-destroyed ones that I use for trailers and that bag is getting too big. Use Gummy Worms if you want. I'd imagine those disintegrate. Great colors too and fish dentists will thank you Sorry, but living in California is all about what you can NOT do and I've had more than enough of that. Here, even coffee causes cancer, so I couldn't give a crap less what the guv'mnt has to say about what, if anything, is hurting the fish. Here, we drain reservoirs so we can sell the water down south for private profit. Here, we want to build 40 foot tall tunnels beneath the Delta to divert water, again for private profit. Who again is hurting the fish? Not me and not you. Most of the garbage I find in and around water bodies has nothing to do with bait. Ban beer bottles and cans, dirty diapers, take-out food boxes and Big Gulp cups if you wanna save the waterways and fish from trash. Go after the poachers that return every time they are ticketed - well the ones that are actually caught. Start giving a crap about that maybe? Go after the people who you know darn well are fishing illegally. We all know who they are and can spot them from the other side of the lake. They're the ones taking live bait to the place I fish that bans live bait. They are the ones not going barbless when the law requires it. They are the ones taking home bags of fish while leaving their own bags of Shrimp Chips and fast food on shore. They are the ones who disappears during the few times that DFW actually show up to check us out. A lot of things hurt our fisheries and most of them are not plastic worms. Anglers do not shoulder the blame so don't let them try to put it on us. Plastic worms - give me a break. Maybe this rant was a bit too much for the topic haha, oh well. I'm tired of being told what to do by a bunch of - nevermind. Quote
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