Super User J Francho Posted January 9, 2020 Super User Posted January 9, 2020 If any series fails, I'll never throw a Carolina rig again. That's my line in the sand! 3 Quote
BassNJake Posted January 9, 2020 Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, OCdockskipper said: Complete speculation, which is why I phrased it as "I could see". In a bankruptcy, often companies do what they can to salvage assets and FLW was operable in its past form. Returning it to that state could in theory keep it alive if the BPT boat sinks. Note that BPT could fail and you could still have FLW & MLF, just in their pre 2019 forms. I understand what you are saying above, but how does that translate to your previous statement that if BPT failed, it would be an absolute disaster for professional fishing? I have criticized Boyd Duckett for the way he went about recruiting for BPT, however he did organize every thing in a way to allow him flexibility should it not work out. MLF, BPT & FLW are all separate entities and in theory, could fail or survive without the other two. Obviously he is trying to use FLW as a feeder to BPT, which in turn feeds MLF, but that chain is not a requirement for any of those 3 to survive. If BPT were to fail, I doubt they would allow it to drag FLW & MLF down with it. The obvious scenario would be to cut the losses with BPT and revert FLW & MLF back to their previous versions. I have read various reports where FLW was bleeding money and Irwin Jacobs was basically playing the shell game where he took money from here, paid it over there until he could get more money to put back into where he took it from to begin with. This caught up with him in the form of 110 million in alleged debt being fought over by his kids as we speak. So I am starting with the viewpoint that FLW wasn't going to survive on its own. This has been the writing on the wall since walmart left. IMO I cannot in reality see where the owners of BPT let the pro level tour fail and keep the minor league teams running. I see it as just the opposite, take money from flw to help pay for BPT. Hard to get the same companies to sponsor you when you recently have failed doing the same exact thing. 1 Quote
Hawkeye21 Posted January 9, 2020 Posted January 9, 2020 This would be a welcome rule change for some. https://majorleaguefishing.com/featured/bass-pro-tour-enacts-variable-minimum-weight-for-2020/ 2 Quote
Super User Tennessee Boy Posted January 9, 2020 Super User Posted January 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: This would be a welcome rule change for some. https://majorleaguefishing.com/featured/bass-pro-tour-enacts-variable-minimum-weight-for-2020/ YEP! That works for me. I'm a big BPT fan, starting today ? It's interesting how they're spinning this. They are now the most demanding tour because they have the biggest minimum fish size. Quote
ReedFish Posted January 9, 2020 Posted January 9, 2020 2# minimum will make this a much more interesting game to follow! 2 Quote
Super User A-Jay Posted January 9, 2020 Super User Posted January 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, ReedFish said: 2# minimum will make this a much more interesting game to follow! Perhaps ~ It may also dramatically increase the use of the term "Non-Scoreable Bass". A-Jay 1 Quote
Super User J Francho Posted January 9, 2020 Super User Posted January 9, 2020 They need to ban that phrase. It's as bad as "game changer." 1 Quote
BassNJake Posted January 9, 2020 Posted January 9, 2020 I'll toss this in here too. As for the grassroots-level events, Duckett said some technological advancements are in the works that will allow weekend anglers to compete in MLF-style tournaments without the need for an official in every boat. "There's a project that we're actively pursuing that will create the security so there's no funny business and nobody will be able to pull any punches, so to speak, and we'll offer that to everybody at every level,” he said. “I can't talk a lot about that technology because we still have another competitor in the space (B.A.S.S.), but we do have a plan so that everybody can fish under the MLF format and I think a lot of people are going to be excited to hear about it when it's available. 1 1 Quote
Super User Tennessee Boy Posted January 9, 2020 Super User Posted January 9, 2020 34 minutes ago, A-Jay said: Perhaps ~ It may also dramatically increase the use of the term "Non-Scoreable Bass". A-Jay They can show them catching the fish and just edit out the "Non-Scoreable" part. We don't know what the minimum will be on other lakes. I guess this gives them the ability to adjust it as they go to try as best they can to please everyone. I expect the number of fish caught will be way down but we get to watch them target larger fish which I will be looking forward to. 1 Quote
Super User A-Jay Posted January 9, 2020 Super User Posted January 9, 2020 33 minutes ago, J Francho said: They need to ban that phrase. It's as bad as "game changer." Perhaps they could replace it with "It's a Giant ! " Mr Iaconelli may vote for that. A-Jay 2 Quote
Troy85 Posted January 9, 2020 Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, J Francho said: They need to ban that phrase. It's as bad as "game changer." Now I have Marty Stones voice stuck in my head.....thanks J...... Quote
Rpratt Posted January 9, 2020 Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, J Francho said: They need to ban that phrase. It's as bad as "game changer." Or the inevitable variations of "this may be the deal"? 1 Quote
OCdockskipper Posted January 9, 2020 Posted January 9, 2020 2 hours ago, A-Jay said: Perhaps they could replace it with "It's a Giant ! " Mr Iaconelli may vote for that. A-Jay Don't forget moments later when the bass is in the boat & the official declares "1 lb, 5 oz". What drives me nuts is that Ike never learns. We have all had small fish hit really hard and the initial fight makes them seem bigger than they really are. But for Ike, that is EVERY SINGLE FISH!! Every fish is a giant at the hook set and they almost never breach the 2 lb mark. When Ike is on MLF, I have to watch holding the remote to mute it when he starts screaming. He can be such a good teacher, it is a shame he thinks the other fake stuff (running back & forth on the boat during a fish fight, screaming, funky facial expressions) is worth doing. 4 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said: This would be a welcome rule change for some. https://majorleaguefishing.com/featured/bass-pro-tour-enacts-variable-minimum-weight-for-2020/ Additionally, at the bottom of that article, they noted that they have added a reward for finishing in the top of your 2 day qualifying round (Days 1&3 or 2&4). Heaviest weight in each of those qualifying rounds goes directly to the final round. I think that is a very smart rule change. Now all the focus isn't on the cut line, but rather at the top where it should be. It brings a little gamble in if you lean on your fish hard on your 2nd day, but come up short of winning the round. You could fish yourself out of position to make the finals, not unlike a traditional tournament. 3 Quote
RichF Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 It looks like Boyd and co have been reading the BR forums! ? 4 Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted January 10, 2020 Global Moderator Posted January 10, 2020 Kudos to them for listening to fan input 1 Quote
BassNJake Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 13 hours ago, OCdockskipper said: Don't forget moments later when the bass is in the boat & the official declares "1 lb, 5 oz". What drives me nuts is that Ike never learns. We have all had small fish hit really hard and the initial fight makes them seem bigger than they really are. But for Ike, that is EVERY SINGLE FISH!! Every fish is a giant at the hook set and they almost never breach the 2 lb mark. When Ike is on MLF, I have to watch holding the remote to mute it when he starts screaming. He can be such a good teacher, it is a shame he thinks the other fake stuff (running back & forth on the boat during a fish fight, screaming, funky facial expressions) is worth doing. I think Ike has learned. He's learned that his big reactions leads to more recognizability. He's parlayed his big mouth into a very lucrative career. Without his antics he's just another pro squeaking by 4 Quote
Super User A-Jay Posted January 10, 2020 Super User Posted January 10, 2020 1 minute ago, BassNJake said: I think Ike has learned. He's learned that his big reactions leads to more recognizably. He's parlayed his big mouth into a very lucrative career. Without his antics he's just another pro squeaking by Sure seems that way. I really like his teaching & presentations style. It's clear, confident, easy to understand and very thorough. However, when he's doing what he does and I can't hit mute in sufficient time to completely silence whatever he calls that post 2 lb bass catch display, I usually start feeling a little like this . . . A-Jay 3 Quote
Hawkeye21 Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 11 hours ago, RichF said: It looks like Boyd and co have been reading the BR forums! ? This is what I really like about MLF. It's all about the anglers with this league and they vote on all the changes. Each year we should see it being fine tuned. 2 Quote
OCdockskipper Posted January 10, 2020 Posted January 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said: This is what I really like about MLF. It's all about the anglers with this league and they vote on all the changes. Each year we should see it being fine tuned. I would say those two changes are just as much about the fans as the anglers, if not more so. The two main complaints you read on this board about the BPT was that it was a dink fest and that there was no reward for leading in the early rounds. The two changes directly reflect those concerns that fans (us) had and made public. I think that is a real positive sign for BPT because a concern was if they became too much about the anglers and what they wanted at the expense of the fans, it would hurt the organization. There is a balance that must be met between the wants of the anglers, sponsors & fans and if you tip too far in any of those directions, you alienate some part of your organization or audience. 2 Quote
Super User Columbia Craw Posted January 11, 2020 Super User Posted January 11, 2020 I DVR the events and blow through everything except the actual on the water footage. The event on Conroe was actually the most enjoyable to watch to date. The format makes it a challenge to learn from what the competitors are doing but I still managed to pick up some good information. I feel for the Marshall that is assigned to Iconelli's boat. I would be interested on how many camera men Iconelli has shoved overboard when he sprints the length of the boat on a hook set. Quote
Super User ChrisD46 Posted January 12, 2020 Author Super User Posted January 12, 2020 *I never knew Aaron Martens liked to "grumble" as much as he does regarding conditions , areas he is fishing and who ever is leading the stage ? Conversely - never knew Andy Montgomery is so darn funny ? ...Edwin Evers , Greg Hackney , Brent Ehrler , Shaw Grigsby , Dean Rojas , etc. are solid , enjoyable dudes ... Takahiro Omori - that dude will steal your water in a heart beat with no shame (lol !) 1 Quote
RichF Posted January 12, 2020 Posted January 12, 2020 7 hours ago, ChrisD46 said: *I never knew Aaron Martens liked to "grumble" as much as he does regarding conditions , areas he is fishing and who ever is leading the stage ? Conversely - never knew Andy Montgomery is so darn funny ? ...Edwin Evers , Greg Hackney , Brent Ehrler , Shaw Grigsby , Dean Rojas , etc. are solid , enjoyable dudes ... Takahiro Omori - that dude will steal your water in a heart beat with no shame (lol !) Evers is not a nice dude! Watch the live BPT footage. He's a dink to his officials and he complains a lot too about other people fishing when they are having events. Marty Stone classifies him as an "intense competitor" which is code for jerkface. 2 Quote
Hawkeye21 Posted January 13, 2020 Posted January 13, 2020 On 1/12/2020 at 2:52 AM, ChrisD46 said: *I never knew Aaron Martens liked to "grumble" as much as he does regarding conditions , areas he is fishing and who ever is leading the stage ? Conversely - never knew Andy Montgomery is so darn funny ? ...Edwin Evers , Greg Hackney , Brent Ehrler , Shaw Grigsby , Dean Rojas , etc. are solid , enjoyable dudes ... Takahiro Omori - that dude will steal your water in a heart beat with no shame (lol !) One of my favorite things is how much I learn about the anglers. There were guys that I though I didn't like that I know do. I wasn't a big fan of Montgomery until watching MLF and now I really like him. I use to like Martens but now he's probably one of my least favorites. I don't know what it is about Martens, his personality just bothers me. Quote
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted January 13, 2020 Super User Posted January 13, 2020 I've never actually sat down and had a conversation with any of them so I can't pass judgement off what is shown on TV. I have met EE at BPS in OKC while he was just walking through the store. Seemed like a nice guy, but it was just in passing. These guys are working when we see them on TV and their job is to catch fish to bring home a check so we are literally seeing them at some pretty high stress situations. I've never fished for $500,000 so I don't know what that would be like. No different than when we see guys in sports taking their job seriously and sometimes seeming like a jerk in the heat of the moment, these guys are people just like you and I. Edit: Except for Ike, he makes himself look stupid EVERY TIME he catches one, I'm passing judgement on him. Edit 2: Add Brent Ehrler's cap to my dislike list. LOL 1 Quote
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