Baitcast for reaction style baits

[jslaughter]

I want to throw shallower spinners and square bills, along with maybe a lighter chatter-bait. I cant seem to dial in a reel. I have two Daiwa reels, fuego CT 8:1 and a cabelas tournament sx 100 HLS 7:1 and I really like Daiwa. Any reels in the $75 to $150 range in Daiwa or any other brand that will work? Oh and I use left hand retrieve ?

[MountainMan83]

Tackle Trap has Tatula SVs for $135 shipped right now. They have LH and RH models in 6, 7, and 8 ratios. That 6.3:1 would be great for what your looking to throw. Sweet sweet reel.

[new2BC4bass]

I don't think it is the reels causing the problem.  How familiar are you with baitcast reels?  What weight lures are you trying to cast and on what rod?  I am thinking you might not be using a rod that will load properly, or else you are quite new to baitcast reels and maybe trying to whip the rod like a spinning rod is often used.

[jslaughter]

48 minutes ago, MountainMan83 said:

Tackle Trap has Tatula SVs for $135 shipped right now. They have LH and RH models in 6, 7, and 8 ratios. That 6.3:1 would be great for what your looking to throw. Sweet sweet reel.

I'd love that reel. I am seeing it for $150. Could you post the link? Maybe I am in the wrong spot. 

[MountainMan83]

PM Sent

[jslaughter]

50 minutes ago, new2BC4bass said:

I don't think it is the reels causing the problem.  How familiar are you with baitcast reels?  What weight lures are you trying to cast and on what rod?  I am thinking you might not be using a rod that will load properly, or else you are quite new to baitcast reels and maybe trying to whip the rod like a spinning rod is often used.

I have had a baitcaster for about 5 years. I am by no means a pro but I do ok keeping myself together on the lake. Certainly willing to learn more if you have more to offer up!

[new2BC4bass]

40 minutes ago, jslaughter said:

I have had a baitcaster for about 5 years. I am by no means a pro but I do ok keeping myself together on the lake. Certainly willing to learn more if you have more to offer up!

5 years is plenty long enough to know how to set up a baitcast reel.  It is also plenty long enough to know how to cast properly with a baitcast reel.  Have to ask anyway.  Is the spool set with a touch of side to side play or with the play just barely removed?  Where are the brakes set?  I've only been using baitcast reels since March '09 so I am also far from being a professional.  I learned on an OG Fuego.

 

Next possible cause to eliminate is the rod being used versus lure weights being cast.  I have to assume you know what you are doing in that area as well, but it is still vital information to know.  Some people can cast 1/8 oz. on a MH rod, but I ain't one of them.  I need a rod that loads properly for the weight being used.

 

It is possible to get a bad reel from any brand.  You would have to be very unlucky to get two.  However, the Tatula SV is a very nice looking and performing reel.  Far be it from me to dissuade you from buying a new reel. 

 

Love Utah.  How about I fly out there next year and try your combo myself?  Just kidding.    But if I did I could bring 20 or so reels for you to try.  All Daiwas or a sampling of several brands.

 

I've got Daiwas with at least 5 different braking systems:  Magforce, Magforce V, Magforce Z, Magforce 3D and reels with SV spools.  Only had problem with one, and that was a spool tension problem (had none), but I was able to fix it on my own from help on here.

 

EDIT:  Quality control on the Magforce 3D reels wasn't the best.  It is the one reel I mentioned earlier, but you can turn the brakes completely off and still cast without being an expert.  You probably could find one in good shape for not much.  Backlashes would occur less often with just a few brakes turned on than on an SV spooled reel.

[WRB]

"Reels hold line rods cast lures" Catt.

No truer statement has been made regarding bass anglers trying to cast lighter weight lures. Put your reel on a moderate fast medium power rod designed to cast light weight lures, Lots of choices under $100.

Tom 

[new2BC4bass]

17 minutes ago, WRB said:

"Reels hold line rods cast lures" Catt.

No truer statement has been made regarding bass anglers trying to cast lighter weight lures. Put your reel on a moderate fast medium power rod designed to cast light weight lures, Lots of choices under $100.

Tom 

Yup.  But a reel can be set up so it won't cast on any rod without backlashing.  Not for guys like you that learned on reels with no brakes, but the vast majority of the rest of us need reels set somewhere close to correct for our abilities.

[jslaughter]

I guess all in all I was wondering what gear ratio people like to throw those baits on. 

50 minutes ago, new2BC4bass said:

5 years is plenty long enough to know how to set up a baitcast reel.  It is also plenty long enough to know how to cast properly with a baitcast reel.  Have to ask anyway.  Is the spool set with a touch of side to side play or with the play just barely removed?  Where are the brakes set?  I've only been using baitcast reels since March '09 so I am also far from being a professional.  I learned on an OG Fuego.

 

Next possible cause to eliminate is the rod being used versus lure weights being cast.  I have to assume you know what you are doing in that area as well, but it is still vital information to know.  Some people can cast 1/8 oz. on a MH rod, but I ain't one of them.  I need a rod that loads properly for the weight being used.

 

It is possible to get a bad reel from any brand.  You would have to be very unlucky to get two.  However, the Tatula SV is a very nice looking and performing reel.  Far be it from me to dissuade you from buying a new reel. 

 

Love Utah.  How about I fly out there next year and try your combo myself?  Just kidding.    But if I did I could bring 20 or so reels for you to try.  All Daiwas or a sampling of several brands.

 

I've got Daiwas with at least 5 different braking systems:  Magforce, Magforce V, Magforce Z, Magforce 3D and reels with SV spools.  Only had problem with one, and that was a spool tension problem (had none), but I was able to fix it on my own from help on here.

 

EDIT:  Quality control on the Magforce 3D reels wasn't the best.  It is the one reel I mentioned earlier, but you can turn the brakes completely off and still cast without being an expert.  You probably could find one in good shape for not much.  Backlashes would occur less often with just a few brakes turned on than on an SV spooled reel.

I usually throw a 3/8 to 1/2 spinners, very rarely 1/4 on a 7' MH rod. I believe it has a fast tip but Ill have to double check. 

If you are coming out to Utah look me up! Bass fishing popularity in Utah, albeit is growing, is still very small. And many people who are into it fishing compete in the local and club tournaments so teaching and sharing techniques is few and far between as you may beat them the following tournament on a style they taught you. Its very hush hush around here. Thats why I enjoy reading this forum so much! Many people willing to teach and share experiences. 

[J Francho]

Usually a medium to medium fast speed reel.  6 or 7 to 1.

[MN Fisher]

On 12/18/2019 at 11:23 AM, jslaughter said:

I guess all in all I was wondering what gear ratio people like to throw those baits on. 

Spinners, chatters and buzz I toss on my 7.3:1 President

Crankbaits - even squarebills - go on the 6 speed...last year it was the Nitrous at 6.1:1, next year it'll be on the Fuego CT-H at 6.3:1

 

 

 

[WRB]

Anyone should be able to learn to cast a bait casting reel by simply following Glenn's video instructions in 5 hours or 5 days, not 5 years.

Backlashes will happen I get them when trying to cast too far into the wind or using dry FC line.

The issue is casting with confidence ease and accuracy and that takes a rod/reel combination that compliment each other. The faster the action and more powerful a rod is the harder it is to cast lighter weight lures. I use a PR745C popping rod designed to cast live bait for light weight less aerodynamic lures because it's easier to cast. 

If you can't master bait casting use a spinning combo. Gary Yamamoto fished with spinning tackle his entire pro fishing career because he preferred it.

Tom

[jslaughter]

I am not going to say I have mastered anything, because I havent. But I can set up and cast my baitcaster to my liking.

I just wanted suggestions on a reel and gear ratio for squarebills and spinners. I said the wrong thing by "dial" in the reel. I meant I cant choose one that I want to buy. Not set up current ones. 

[swhit140]

I'd recommend Fuego CT 6:3:1 since you already have one Fuego to match with.

[JustJames]

Beside from High Speed 8 and up gear ratio and Slow speed 6 and below. The rest can fish pretty much everything. You don’t really need all gear ratio for specific lure.

High Speed not suitable for deep driving crank or big spinner bait, anything that require a lot of torque.

Slow Speed 5.3 which used to be standard, but now only those that fish big swimbait using it.

Most of my reels are 7.2 which I use for everything and 5.3 for swimbait and crappie jig becuz I don’t know how to slowdown with high gear reel.

[jslaughter]

12 minutes ago, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

Beside from High Speed 8 and up gear ratio and Slow speed 6 and below. The rest can fish pretty much everything. You don’t really need all gear ratio for specific lure.

High Speed not suitable for deep driving crank or big spinner bait, anything that require a lot of torque.

Slow Speed 5.3 which used to be standard, but now only those that fish big swimbait using it.

Most of my reels are 7.2 which I use for everything and 5.3 for swimbait and crappie jig becuz I don’t know how to slowdown with high gear reel.

I have a hard time slowing down as well. I dont throw many big swimbaits so wont need anything lower than a 5. Thats why I thought I would ask. I need another reel as I have an empty pole!

[Columbia Craw]

5 hours ago, MountainMan83 said:

Tackle Trap has Tatula SVs for $135 shipped right now. They have LH and RH models in 6, 7, and 8 ratios. That 6.3:1 would be great for what your looking to throw. Sweet sweet reel.

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[new2BC4bass]

2 hours ago, jslaughter said:

I am not going to say I have mastered anything, because I havent. But I can set up and cast my baitcaster to my liking.

I just wanted suggestions on a reel and gear ratio for squarebills and spinners. I said the wrong thing by "dial" in the reel. I meant I cant choose one that I want to buy. Not set up current ones. 

Yeah.  That puts a completely different spin on things.  I was having a hard time trying to figure out why you couldn't get them dialed in with as much experience as you have.

 

I was going to post a link to a left hand OG Tatula Type R for $99.99, but it is the high speed model and you have a hard time slowing down.

 

If I were you I'd be taking a hard look at Lew's Tournament MB.  This model is being phased out to be replaced by the Tournament MP (so I've read).  TW has them on sale for $80...a $140 reel.  Dual braking.  The TS1SMBL features a high capacity spool and a longer 95MM power crank handle and is 5.6:1 ratio.

 

I am over saturated with reels, but this is a hard deal to pass on.  I have a 7.5 purchased several years ago at $108 and I thought I was getting a great deal.  These are very nice reels.  Luckily I don't care which side the handle is on unless it is an expensive (to me) reel.  Even then I'll buy a right hand if the price is right.  I'm thinking a right hand 6.8 might be in my near future. 

[Fishes in trees]

It is those Diawa reels.   They are harder to learn on.  Had you started with a Shimano reel this issue wouldn't exist.  I think.

[jslaughter]

 Im always down for Shimano. All my spinning reels are Shimano except one diawa. I am having a hard time not buying that tatula sv. For a $200 reel for $135 is hard to beat but that lews is on my radar. I saw that on TW before you mentioned it but didnt give it much thought. I will look into it more! Also someone mentioned a fuego ct since im familiar with that reel. All these are great options!

[Bankbeater]

Last year I got a Tatula CT100H with the intention of using it for fishing t-rigs, and weightless plastics like senkos.  After fishing with the reel for a couple of months I started using it for moving baits instead of plastics.  It seems to be working just fine with baits 1/4 to 1/2 ounce.

[waymont]

On 12/18/2019 at 11:00 AM, MountainMan83 said:

Tackle Trap has Tatula SVs for $135 shipped right now. They have LH and RH models in 6, 7, and 8 ratios. That 6.3:1 would be great for what your looking to throw. Sweet sweet reel.

If you can get a Tatula SV TW for this price get it! Fantastic reel for any application.

[jslaughter]

I snagged the Tatula SV TW for the $135! Cant wait to use it. Thanks again everyone!

[Boomstick]

On 12/19/2019 at 1:20 PM, jslaughter said:

 Im always down for Shimano. All my spinning reels are Shimano except one diawa. I am having a hard time not buying that tatula sv. For a $200 reel for $135 is hard to beat but that lews is on my radar. I saw that on TW before you mentioned it but didnt give it much thought. I will look into it more! Also someone mentioned a fuego ct since im familiar with that reel. All these are great options!

The Tatula SV is a great reel and that is a fantastic price for it. I believe I only got one of my three for that price, the others were $155-165 or so if I'm remembering right and they're still easily worth it. But as others suggested, make sure you are using the right rod. For spinnerbaits and chatterbaits, a M/F rod can be used for up to 3/8oz lures and also throw a square bill, but a MH/F rod is not a good choice for square bills and will throw a 1/2oz spinnerbait much further than a 3/8oz spinnerbait.