linear magnetic cast control

[jimmyjoe]

   I've never liked linear magnetic brakes, although the only ones I've ever used for a whole season were Lew's. If I sat them for fairly good control, I lost casting distance. Kinda like this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb2YbqxUYp4

    This guy, however, has just the opposite luck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf2u7AFOH84

    Yes, I know they're worlds apart on casting weight. And one is braid while the other is mono. But they're both linear Korean Abu Garcia systems. So why the difference? Do linear mag systems work much better (more predictably) with heavy weight, and only so-so with lighter weights? Or is there something here that I'm not getting? 

    The reason I'm interested is that I'm sloooowly getting back in to heavier weights, and linear magnetic systems are the cheapest and simplest reels out there. I don't want to be OCD (old centrifugal dummy).   ☹️

       jj

 

   P.S.  My love affair with Daiwa has ended. Totally ended. Don't ask.

  

 

[JustJames]

Like you said the weight is totally different and make the cast absolutely no comparable.  Also you compare the long distance casting expert to a guy that wanna cast far (so unfair, the reel is totally different linear magnetic on wanna be and dual brake system on the expert)

I might be able to cast 1.5 - 3oz lure further than 3/8oz jig given that the reel have same brake mechanism, in my case MagZ on Luna 253 and Tatula CT type R. 

Now How heavy are we talking here? The more heavy the less brake you need given that your thumb has been trained. With heavy lure I prefer centrifugal brake system. I’m using Luna 253 for 2oz up and Cardiff 200 for up to 2oz (restrict with line capacity). On the opposite end I like mag brake system only for my Ultra light Lure, it’ll give me better control on all situations and lure weights.

Talking about advantages of linear brake on heavy lure, I’m not sure if that really advantages, on my Luna 253 I set dial to almost minimal brake (add more when windy) same as that expert said no mag brake but centrifugal to one. With my Cardiff alway 2 on and I can go to town with any size lures. BTW my first low profile reel 20 years ago was Abu Garcia 3000C linear mag brake system.

why fix it if it works, I don’t mind to be called OCD give me Calcutta 300 and you can have my Luna any days. I actually thinking about getting Tranx 300 to replace my Luna soon, if I’m still into heavy lure or bass for that matter. Just my 2 cents.

 

[new2BC4bass]

Sorry for the loss of your love affair. 

 

The first video proved to me that a light spool isn't the end all for distance.  Loved the color scheme on the EXD.  Too bad its performance didn't live up to its looks.

 

My first Abu was a used Gen 1 STX.  It has always had 40# braid on it.  Initially Performance, but now PP Original since I had to change the line while in Florida.  I run brakes higher than most people probably do.  (Set near max right now, but I don't recall what lure I was casting with it the last time it was out.)  But I run spool tension pretty loose.  It went with me the first few years I visited Florida.  Mostly used to cast weightless 10" ribbontail worms into lily pads.  One year it got used with a 3/4 oz. spoon to fish brackish water (and caught a few flounder).

 

Both lures cast on the same rod...a Jupiter 7' MHF.  Made some of my longest casts ever with that spoon.  No problem getting the ribbontail a decent distance.  Matter of fact my brother-in-law thinks baitcast reels out cast spinning reels for distance.    He only uses spinning.

 

I've never measured distance with this reel.  If I remember correctly, it is listed as holding 135 yards of 12# mono.  I couldn't say whether or not this is to the bevel (as I fill it) or the 1/16-1/8 below the bevel as suggested on the sheet that came with the reel.  I was consistently casting over half the spool.  I will be the first to admit I am not the best caster.

[dodgeguy]

2 hours ago, jimmyjoe said:

   I've never liked linear magnetic brakes, although the only ones I've ever used for a whole season were Lew's. If I sat them for fairly good control, I lost casting distance. Kinda like this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb2YbqxUYp4

    This guy, however, has just the opposite luck: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf2u7AFOH84

    Yes, I know they're worlds apart on casting weight. And one is braid while the other is mono. But they're both linear Korean Abu Garcia systems. So why the difference? Do linear mag systems work much better (more predictably) with heavy weight, and only so-so with lighter weights? Or is there something here that I'm not getting? 

    The reason I'm interested is that I'm sloooowly getting back in to heavier weights, and linear magnetic systems are the cheapest and simplest reels out there. I don't want to be OCD (old centrifugal dummy).   ☹️

       jj

 

   P.S.  My love affair with Daiwa has ended. Totally ended. Don't ask.

  

 

Try a Lews with 6 pin 27 position externally adjustable centrifugal brakes. It does everything well.

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[jimmyjoe]

43 minutes ago, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

Now How heavy are we talking here?

   From 1 to 1.5 ounces. Bomber 17a, 1 oz. Traps, 1.5 oz. spoons, heavy flukes, Giant Killers, etc. If those don't provoke my arthritis, I may someday move heavier.  Dunno.

 

43 minutes ago, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

I actually thinking about getting Tranx 300

   Me, too. Thinking, that is. That's all; just thinking.  For 300 bucks, I can think a long time. ?

 

21 minutes ago, dodgeguy said:

Try a Lews with 6 pin 27 position externally adjustable centrifugal brakes. It does everything well.

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   True, true. But I'm wanting to explore the linear magnetic systems, something I've not done. After I find out as much as I need to know to decide, there's no telling what the decision might be. It might be a yes, and it might be a no.

 

   The reason I'm interested in distance is that for shorter casts I have a 5500c that works great. Some people say I should get it hot-rodded, but I don't know whether I want to do that yet. If a simple mag system is cheaper, why not go that way?

   Just trying to get info on something that I don't know much about.  Thnx.    jj

[dodgeguy]

A 5500 c will never cast as well as a low profile with a light narrow spool when using light lures. The light spool is less prone to backlash.

[WRB]

I used Abu Ambassadors, Daiwa and Shimano baitcasting reels for decades. Once you get a reel dialed in with brake setting and daily changes are done with spool tension knob. You should be able to pick up any bait casting reel that you have set and cast it regardless of the brand or braking system.

Example my jig and worm rods are currently Daiwa  reels, my crankbait and swimbait rods have Shimano reels and cast them throughout the day randomly without giving the braking any thought. I may adjust the spool tension knob a tiny amount depending on wind or type lure.

The problem isn't the braking system, it's how the braking system is adjusted to meet your needs.

Tom

 

5 minutes ago, dodgeguy said:

A 5500 c will never cast as well as a low profile with a light narrow spool when using light lures. The light spool is less prone to backlash.

Use a 2500C. The reel size should be compatible to the lure weight and aerodymics ( wind resistance). Abu legacy reels used a 2 pin centrifical braking system.

Tom

 

[jimmyjoe]

2 minutes ago, dodgeguy said:

A 5500 c will never cast as well as a low profile with a light narrow spool when using light lures. The light spool is less prone to backlash.

   This I know. I'm not trying to make the ABU do anything it doesn't want to do. It's great at short to medium distances, so I'll let it work its heart out there. The reason I'm looking into the mag system is that I want to try something for longer distances, and those 2 videos seem to suggest that linear mag systems can cast long distances very well, and that they may in fact be better and more efficient with heavier lures. That would be right up my alley, and might also explain why I didn't like linear mag systems when I used them, like video #1, on lighter lures.

 

8 minutes ago, WRB said:

The problem isn't the braking system, it's how the braking system is adjusted to meet your needs.

  Yeah, I can understand this. But maybe .... just maybe .... I'm a cantankerous old fart who was too impatient trying to get the mag systems to work to my satisfaction with lighter lures. So maybe .... just maybe .... I might give one of them another chance with heavier lures. 

   Like I said, I'm just trying to get info on something I don't know much about.     jj

[new2BC4bass]

15 hours ago, WRB said:

I used Abu Ambassadors, Daiwa and Shimano baitcasting reels for decades. Once you get a reel dialed in with brake setting and daily changes are done with spool tension knob. You should be able to pick up any bait casting reel that you have set and cast it regardless of the brand or braking system.

Example my jig and worm rods are currently Daiwa  reels, my crankbait and swimbait rods have Shimano reels and cast them throughout the day randomly without giving the braking any thought. I may adjust the spool tension knob a tiny amount depending on wind or type lure.

The problem isn't the braking system, it's how the braking system is adjusted to meet your needs.

Tom

 

Use a 2500C. The reel size should be compatible to the lure weight and aerodymics ( wind resistance). Abu legacy reels used a 2 pin centrifical braking system.

Tom

 

Agree.  I have 9 different brands of reels.  Daiwas I use have at least 5 different braking systems.  Abus at least four.  Shimanos at least four.  I never take out just one brand.  I have no problem setting one type down and grabbing something with a totally different braking system.

 

 

[JustJames]

1 hour ago, jimmyjoe said:

 The reason I'm looking into the mag system is that I want to try something for longer distances, and those 2 videos seem to suggest that linear mag systems can cast long distances very well, and that they may in fact be better and more efficient with heavier lures.

Nope both video didn’t indicate anything that linear mag brake can cast long distance very well. First of all the Abu STX is dual braking system as well as Abu Toro beast they equip with both centrifugal and mag brake. Also he is not really happy with the new Abu EXD and 40 yds with 1/2 oz lure I think a lot can do better with any other reels. The Toro beast on the other hand is a good reel and the tackle advisors use no mag brake at all only centrifugal 1 on.

 

1.5 oz lure I think 200K should do you better than any other linear mag reel and if you like round reel, try Cardiff 200 or even 300(less than 100), you will be happy and can move up the lure weight when you ready.

[jimmyjoe]

1 hour ago, Bass_Fishing_Socal said:

if you like round reel, try Cardiff 200

   Well, Tom ( @WRB ) had previously mentioned the Cardiff. That would keep me in the centrifugal camp, and the price  is right. The only thing is that my info on the Cardiff comes from catfishermen locally, and they didn't think very much of its distance capabilities. Because the season is over here, I never got a chance to actually see what the Cardiff could do. Not only that, but while I was gathering info, a real deal on the 5500c came up, and I took it. So the Cardiff went onto the back burner.

   Maybe that was a mistake on my part. In your opinion, will the Cardiff 200 SIGNIFICANTLY out-cast the 5500c?  jj

[WRB]

Rods cast lures reels hold line as Catt has noted many times.

Long distance casting is something I normally do, 7/16 oz jig 40 to 50 yards and 3/4 oz crabkbaits about the same distance for over 40 years with all types of reels using 10 to 12 mono line.

Everyone is putting way too much focus on brakes in lieu of casting skill.

Tom

[Hammer 4]

I had a 200 Cardiff on my old Dobyns 806 swimbait rig, I had no issues casting it up to about 50 yards. As Tom said, it's the rod and the person doing the casting.

[WRB]

3 minutes ago, jimmyjoe said:

   Well, Tom ( @WRB ) had previously mentioned the Cardiff. That would keep me in the centrifugal camp, and the price  is right. The only thing is that my info on the Cardiff comes from catfishermen locally, and they didn't think very much of its distance capabilities. Because the season is over here, I never got a chance to actually see what the Cardiff could do. Not only that, but while I was gathering info, a real deal on the 5500c came up, and I took it. So the Cardiff went onto the back burner.

   Maybe that was a mistake on my part. In your opinion, will the Cardiff 200 SIGNIFICANTLY out-cast the 5500c?  jj

5500C is closer to 400 Cardiff, both have wide spools. The level wind on 5500C doesn't disengage and slows down the line comming off the spool because it must travel back and forth on the worm gear. 200 size Cardiff has a smaller spool and should cast a little better with lighter lures then a 300 Cardiff.

Tom

[Bird]

Just a heads up......completely turn down the magnetic brake before adjusting the bait specific tensioner knob.....then turn back up your brakes for optimal casting. 

[jimmyjoe]

50 minutes ago, WRB said:

Long distance casting is something I normally do, 7/16 oz jig 40 to 50 yards and 3/4 oz crabkbaits about the same distance for over 40 years with all types of reels using 10 tp 12 mono line.

   I really wish that I had taken the time to measure the distance with the 5500c. But on this forum previously, I had started a thread about losing fish while casting long distances in a sandpit. I was using a 7' ML/F spinning rod with 4 and 8 lb braid. I eventually measured my casting distance with a laser rangefinder. Other than the first cast, which came up short, all casts were between 55 and 60 yards. This is with 1/3 oz. spoons.

   I went back to the sand pit another day. I have an 8' M/MF casting rod, with a Curado 70 on it running 8 lb. Yo-Zuri Hybrid line. I wanted to try and see what it would do. I consistently outdistanced the spinning gear with the same spoons, by a small amount. Not a huge amount, but a noticeable amount. I hate to put numbers on something that wasn't precisely measured, but I'm sure I was hitting 60 yards. Maybe (just maybe) a bit more.

    Only a rough guess in the same pit, but the 5500c will only do about 75% of that.

    I want the new reel to put the heavy spoons, the naked Giant Killers and the 1 oz. 'Traps out there AT LEAST as far as that Curado. Further, if I can manage it. That's OVER 60 yards. I've seen other fishermen (boaters) pull in big bass from this pit and 3 other lakes within 75 miles. All were from waaaaay out there. But I'm not a boater; I'm a shorecaster. And I'm gonna stay a shorecaster. I'm almost 70; there's no boat in my future. I know it's not necessary for me to reach out and touch, so to speak, the farther fish, but I JUST WANT TO TRY.

   Do you think I'm being unreasonable?  If I am, just tell me. I won't cry ..... much.  ?        ?   jj   

 

P.S.  The rod I'll use to do this is a 7'2" Mojo Bass Glass H/M from St. Croix, It's rated 1/2 to 1 3/8 lure weight. Although the 5500c worked on it, I was thinking of a lower-profile reel for greater comfort as well as more distance.

  

[WRB]

Your local football field has measured yard lines. I take a hula hoop and lay on the grass for a target and hit nearly every cast at 50 yards.

You always walk off a measured distance and mark your line using a Sharpie.

Tom

[dodgeguy]

$139 Lews tournament pro from sportsmans outfitters is your best bet IMHO.

[fishwizzard]

There are some cases where liner mag spools can preform very well and can exceed the performance of high end non-linear spools.  An example would be some of the ZPI aftermarket Daiwa spools.  The one I have, a zpi nrc001pg (what a name!), has a fixed inductor and gives both amazing distance and control across almost the entire range of braking.  Given what these spools cost, I assume it requires a lot of design time and exacting manufacturing to pull it off to the point where it's not feasible to make spools like this for mass produced reels.  

 

 

[jimmyjoe]

   I think I know where I'm going. I learned on centrifugal, I'm comfortable with centrifugal, only a very proficient caster (video #2) made the linear system look good, and then only (I think) because of a heavy payload. So ...... I think I'll forget the magnetic stuff and stay with centrifugal.   Thank you, every one of you.      jj