Daiwa Crankbait Rod?

[Shif29]

After trying some crankbait rods out, I realize that I want to crank with graphite rods because they just feel better to me. The options I am considering are the Daiwa Tatula 7' medium regular and the Daiwa Tatula Elite 7'2" Medium Heavy Regular. Im leaning more towards the Tatula Elite because I like the medium heavy since ill be throwing a lot of KVD 2.5's and medium sized cranks, yet sometimes some KVD 1.5's and 3-4 foot divers. Occasionally I will throw some deep divers as well. I am kind of looking for an all around crankbait rod, and the medium heavy and the length of this rod is what appeals to me. Do any of you have experience cranking with this rod and do you think the regular taper of the rod will have enough flex for the cranking I am doing. Any other suggestions or criticism is very much appreciated. 

[Junger]

I have the Zillion G2 7'2 MHR and MHR-G. For cranking, the flex on the MHR-G is much better, you get that true-parabolic bend without needing to exert a lot of resistance against the rod. The MHR doesn't flex down into blank as much as the G version, and takes more force to get to the backbone. I use this rod for heavy treble topwater, chatterbaits, spinnerbaits. 

 

Out of those two rods you're considering, I would get the Tatula 7' MR. It's rated for 1/4-3/4oz which can handle the lures you listed, and it will give you a better parabolic flex while cranking and to pinning a fish.

 

 

 

 

[Shif29]

16 minutes ago, Junger said:

I have the Zillion G2 7'2 MHR and MHR-G. For cranking, the flex on the MHR-G is much better, you get that true-parabolic bend without needing to exert a lot of resistance against the rod. The MHR doesn't flex down into blank as much as the G version, and takes more force to get to the backbone. I use this rod for heavy treble topwater, chatterbaits, spinnerbaits. 

 

Out of those two rods you're considering, I would get the Tatula 7' MR. It's rated for 1/4-3/4oz which can handle the lures you listed, and it will give you a better parabolic flex while cranking and to pinning a fish.

 

 

 

 

I really would love to go the glass route but I am very worried about the lack of sensitivity. I like the graphite because I can feel every little thing. Is Daiwa glass sensitive enough?

[Junger]

34 minutes ago, Shif29 said:

I really would love to go the glass route but I am very worried about the lack of sensitivity. I like the graphite because I can feel every little thing. Is Daiwa glass sensitive enough?

For the Zillion G2 rod, yes sensitive enough for me. It's not hard to miss the feel of the plug banging into rocks, and I just keep cranking until I feel weight. I don't think the OG Tatula was all that sensitive compared to some of my other rods in that price range.

 

I have a few Tatula Elites, and I think they are more sensitive than the OG Tatula's. If I had a choice between the two, I'd get the TAEL721MRB-G based on my experience with the Zillion-G, and non-G versions of the OG Tatula and Tatula Elites.

[jimmyjoe]

  

2 hours ago, Shif29 said:

I am kind of looking for an all around crankbait rod,

  For an all-around crankbait rod, graphite's sensitivity is vastly overrated. The reason is simple; on any steady retrieve, the fish hooks itself. You feel something, and you react. That's true. But what you're reacting to is the pull of a fish that has already hooked itself. The "give" of a good crankbait rod gives you 1) greater assurance that when you do react, you stand less chance of ripping those little trebles out of the fish's mouth, and 2) a better speed-of-blank reaction to keep alignment pressure on the lure so that the fish can't shake their head and spit the hook out.

   Neither of those things are benefited by a great amount of sensitivity.

   Here in the Midwest, I can catch sizeable bass on 1 oz. spoons and Mepps Musky Killers. And I can do it with a stiff-blank rod. That's because those lures have MUCH bigger trebles. You can NOT put those size trebles on a crankbait. (Of course, you could buy some saltwater lures with big trebles on them, like Bomber 17a lures, and you could try them where you know there are bass just to satisfy your curiosity regarding large-vs.-small trebles. But that would be a lot of trouble.  ) 

 

   So it's not just that "crankbait" rods are meant to deal with treble hooks, but that they're meant to deal with smaller treble hooks.

   So where does sensitivity come in? It's important in bottom-contact techniques, like jigging and dragging, and to an extent in intermittent-retrieve techniques like twitching, and techniques where you let the lure fall on semi-slack line, like fluttering. Notice that I didn't include techniques that depend primarily on line-watching. You can use whichever kind of rod for line-watching that you prefer.

   Most fishermen nowadays have become addicted to the "feel" of a sensitive rod. And that's the "feel" of a graphite rod. And sensitivity is good. I have and use some sensitive rods, and I like them a lot.

   But their greatest benefit is NOT on steady-retrieve techniques.

   Hope this helps ya.     jj

  

 

[Tizi]

I have the Daiwa Tatula TTU701MRB-G.  Fantastic crankbait rod for lures in the 1/2 ounce range.  Highly recommended.  I have it paired with a Tatula CT Type R 6.3:1

 

[Shif29]

37 minutes ago, Junger said:

For the Zillion G2 rod, yes sensitive enough for me. It's not hard to miss the feel of the plug banging into rocks, and I just keep cranking until I feel weight. I don't think the OG Tatula was all that sensitive compared to some of my other rods in that price range.

 

I have a few Tatula Elites, and I think they are more sensitive than the OG Tatula's. If I had a choice between the two, I'd get the TAEL721MRB-G based on my experience with the Zillion-G, and non-G versions of the OG Tatula and Tatula Elites.

I just went and looked and that rod does fit what i’m looking for very well. i will definitely consider that as option, thank you sir

17 minutes ago, jimmyjoe said:

  

  For an all-around crankbait rod, graphite's sensitivity is vastly overrated. The reason is simple; on any steady retrieve, the fish hooks itself. You feel something, and you react. That's true. But what you're reacting to is the pull of a fish that has already hooked itself. The "give" of a good crankbait rod gives you 1) greater assurance that when you do react, you stand less chance of ripping those little trebles out of the fish's mouth, and 2) a better speed-of-blank reaction to keep alignment pressure on the lure so that the fish can't shake their head and spit the hook out.

   Neither of those things are benefited by a great amount of sensitivity.

   Here in the Midwest, I can catch sizeable bass on 1 oz. spoons and Mepps Musky Killers. And I can do it with a stiff-blank rod. That's because those lures have MUCH bigger trebles. You can NOT put those size trebles on a crankbait. (Of course, you could buy some saltwater lures with big trebles on them, like Bomber 17a lures, and you could try them where you know there are bass just to satisfy your curiosity regarding large-vs.-small trebles. But that would be a lot of trouble.  ) 

 

   So it's not just that "crankbait" rods are meant to deal with treble hooks, but that they're meant to deal with smaller treble hooks.

   So where does sensitivity come in? It's important in bottom-contact techniques, like jigging and dragging, and to an extent in intermittent-retrieve techniques like twitching, and techniques where you let the lure fall on semi-slack line, like fluttering. Notice that I didn't include techniques that depend primarily on line-watching. You can use whichever kind of rod for line-watching that you prefer.

   Most fishermen nowadays have become addicted to the "feel" of a sensitive rod. And that's the "feel" of a graphite rod. And sensitivity is good. I have and use some sensitive rods, and I like them a lot.

   But their greatest benefit is NOT on steady-retrieve techniques.

   Hope this helps ya.     jj

  

 

yes this does help a whole lot and I understand what you are saying. I believe I just need enough sensitivity to tell the difference between a fish and sticks and rocks etc. I will definitely consider. Any other advice you have is appreciated.

8 minutes ago, Tizi said:

I have the Daiwa Tatula TTU701MRB-G.  Fantastic crankbait rod for lures in the 1/2 ounce range.  Highly recommended.  I have it paired with a Tatula CT Type R 6.3:1

 

i did check this rod out too and this +1 helps. 

[WRB]

Take a look at Cashion Elite Crankbait rods, made near you in NC and designed to meet exactly what you are looking for, light weight graphite composite with maximum lure feedback.

Tom

[Shif29]

1 hour ago, WRB said:

Take a look at Cashion Elite Crankbait rods, made near you in NC and designed to meet exactly what you are looking for, light weight graphite composite with maximum lure feedback.

Tom

i just looked at these and they are exactly what i’m looking for. do you have any experience with them?

[WRB]

My fishing partner used Casion crankbait rods and I have treid them, very light weigh and well balanced with good lure contact. I prefer rods with fore grips, otherwise very well made rods with state of the art composte handles that take a little while getting use to.

Tom

[Shif29]

7 minutes ago, WRB said:

My fishing partner used Casion crankbait rods and I have treid them, very light weigh and well balanced with good lure contact. I prefer rods with fore grips, otherwise very well made rods with state of the art composte handles that take a little while getting use to.

Tom

So would you say the casion rod would serve me better for cranking than the tatula elite glass?

[WRB]

23 minutes ago, Shif29 said:

So would you say the casion rod would serve me better for cranking than the tatula elite glass?

Only you can decide what's feels best for you. Haven't touched or feel the Tatula Elite G rods, no idea of weight, balance and feedback?

[Rhody Angler]

Tatula Elite! I have the 7’4 model of that same 7’2 model that you want and it’s a great rod! Spinnerbaits, jerk baits, cranks, blade baits, chatterbaits... great rod

[LonnieP]

I've been using a Tatula 7' M/R for traps, shallow and medium divers for the past 3 years and I love it. 1/2 ounce is that rods sweet spot. I've never tried using it with any deep divers though, you probably would be better off getting the Mh if you plan to throw them.

[Boomstick]

The 7' M/R glass rod is a fantastic crankbait rod. The 7'2" MH/R glass rod also works and is better for those real deep divers and squarebills around grass -- and is also a great spinnerbait and chatterbait stick. I have both, they're a little bit heavy but that doesn't bother me, and surprisingly sensitive for glass rods.

 

If you opt to stick to a graphite rod, I would probably go with the 7' M/R. The 7'2" MH/R graphite rod has a bit more tip than its glass counterpart from what I understand and would be a bit much for a crankbait.