Super User the reel ess Posted November 30, 2019 Super User Posted November 30, 2019 My sister just bought a place at the beach that has a boat launch on the Garden City beach (SC) inlet. I've never fished much saltwater. When I did, I just hosed them off with freshwater. My question is about whether my reels are ok with regular saltwater use. I have a few Lews LFS Tournament MB BC reels that I believe are sealed bearing and noncorrosive. But how about Pflueger Trion spinning reels? Also, what do most of you use for redfish and trout? Thanks. 1
Rowsdower Posted November 30, 2019 Posted November 30, 2019 You will be fine as long as you don't go dunking your gear. A simple light rinse with fresh water afterwards (don't go pressure washing them! ) will suffice. I fish for redfish and specks more than anything and never have issues with my gear and the salt 3
Super User Hammer 4 Posted November 30, 2019 Super User Posted November 30, 2019 I use to fish fresh and salt 4 to 5 times a week with my shimano casting and spinning reels, some were high end, some low end. All I did was rinse them thoroughly asap after using them for saltwater. Normally I would re oil and grease them once a month if needed, usually it was just having to oil them. This went on for about 2 years until I had to stop fishing, but never had any problems. 2
BassResource.com Administrator Glenn Posted November 30, 2019 BassResource.com Administrator Posted November 30, 2019 As long as your reels don't have any parts made from magnesium, you should be fine with rinsing them. If they have magnesium parts, don't even think about using them in saltwater. 4
fvogel67 Posted November 30, 2019 Posted November 30, 2019 19 minutes ago, Glenn said: As long as your reels don't have any parts made from magnesium, you should be fine with rinsing them. If they have magnesium parts, don't even think about using them in saltwater. The Pflueger Supreme has a magnesium body and is rated for salt use. 2
craww Posted November 30, 2019 Posted November 30, 2019 DONT rinse them...Wipe them down or at least be very, very careful. It's been a minute since I've had my trion apart; but I dont believe the drag is exactly sealed...Water with salt/sand can run right down the main shaft & deposit itself into the AR Clutch, frame bearing, and then pinion/Main gear in that order. You can also ruin the line roller bearing that way; getting salt/sand into it and also not allowing it to dry properly. Is it guaranteed to happen? No. But I've replaced enough AR Clutches and Frame bearings in Pure Fishing spinners to where I wouldn't do it.. 1
BassResource.com Administrator Glenn Posted November 30, 2019 BassResource.com Administrator Posted November 30, 2019 21 minutes ago, fvogel67 said: The Pflueger Supreme has a magnesium body and is rated for salt use. The Okuma Helios Air has a magnesium body and sideplates, and they say don't use it in salt water because it can corrode.
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted November 30, 2019 Global Moderator Posted November 30, 2019 I just buy a cheap combo at Publix when I go to the beach. Use for the week and discard when you go home haha. But seriously I have used several of my rods and reels down there (which are far from high end) and never had any trouble. 1
Super User Catt Posted November 30, 2019 Super User Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, fvogel67 said: The Pflueger Supreme has a magnesium body and is rated for salt use. When magnesium corrodes its intergranular corrosion & the only way to stop it is by removing metal.
Super User MickD Posted November 30, 2019 Super User Posted November 30, 2019 1 hour ago, fvogel67 said: The Pflueger Supreme has a magnesium body and is rated for salt use. The NEW Supreme, right?
Super User WRB Posted November 30, 2019 Super User Posted November 30, 2019 It's a galvanic reaction to dissimilar metals like magnesium and the stainless or nickle plated brass screws and lock washers. If the coating on the magnesium is scratched and comes in contact with salt fog, not necessarily salt water just moisture it starts corrosion. Rinsing with fresh water and spraying with WD-40 is standard practice with anodic coated aluminum reels. Magnesium is a more sacrificial metal and I wouldn't recommend using it in salt water. Tom
fvogel67 Posted November 30, 2019 Posted November 30, 2019 Pfluegers very own website has them rated for salt. 1
Super User Maxximus Redneckus Posted December 1, 2019 Super User Posted December 1, 2019 4 hours ago, fvogel67 said: The Pflueger Supreme has a magnesium body and is rated for salt use. Mag is only as good as its plating 1 tiny nick or scratch and saltwater will literally eat it up from inside
fvogel67 Posted December 1, 2019 Posted December 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, Maxximus Redneckus said: Mag is only as good as its plating 1 tiny nick or scratch and saltwater will literally eat it up from inside Pflueger rates it for salt. Case closed
craww Posted December 1, 2019 Posted December 1, 2019 Shimano has produced magnesium framed reels for inshore & surf fishing for decades. Folks love their Mg Stella's. Their well known tech said at one point he'd seen 2 MG reels w/corrosion issues in something like 4 years. Those who remember snook on here may recall he liked his Mg Floogers; & he fished them often. If the manufacturer is willing to stand behind the product and say its ok, it is (within reason). Not every mg reel is considered salt safe by their respective companies.
Super User WRB Posted December 1, 2019 Super User Posted December 1, 2019 1 hour ago, fvogel67 said: Pflueger rates it for salt. Case closed Case opened; Will they replace the reel if It corrodes? Use it you own it. Titainium is a noble highly corrosion resistant metal right up there with gold, magnesium is very low on the galvanic table right next to zinc, can't defy physics. Tom 1
fvogel67 Posted December 1, 2019 Posted December 1, 2019 2 hours ago, WRB said: Case opened; Will they replace the reel if It corrodes? Use it you own it. Titainium is a noble highly corrosion resistant metal right up there with gold, magnesium is very low on the galvanic table right next to zinc, can't defy physics. Tom Well then, I guess Pflueger is wrong and your right. Congratulations ?
Super User WRB Posted December 1, 2019 Super User Posted December 1, 2019 10 hours ago, fvogel67 said: Well then, I guess Pflueger is wrong and your right. Congratulations ? Tackle Tour was sceptical regarding magnesium being salt water compatible claims for good reasons, marketing has been known to stretch the facts. Pflueger is brand name, where do you go to resovle false claims? If the reel is warranted and garenteed not to corrode then it's up to Pflueger to evaluate the the manufacturing flaw that caused the problem and 99.9% the cause is user damage. Agree with your findings, just not naive enough to believe Pflueger's claim. Peace, Tom 2
johnD. Posted December 1, 2019 Posted December 1, 2019 I'd leave the bass rods at home (you may end up trashing one on a 40" bull red)..Pick up some daiwa bg's on star stellar lite rods. The bg's have nylon line roller bushings (low maintenance). If your reels get dunked take them apart that day and clean them , flush bearings , etc , other wise, regular routine maintenance schedules are fine. Star Stellar Lite 7'6 medium with a 2500 BG , loaded with 10# or 15# braid will do anything inshore. Star Paraflex 9' surf with a BG 4000 or 4500 (30# braid) will do most anything in the surf. (I'd recommend the 4500 for chunking bait , the 4000 for throwing plugs , jigs and what not). surftalk is a good resource for landbased saltwater fishing. 2
Super User Chris at Tech Posted December 1, 2019 Super User Posted December 1, 2019 First, let me answer the easy question. Check the "other species" forum for my previous posts on my inshore fishing adventures in Hilton Head and Panama City Beach where I include some info on what I typically use. Long story short -- spoons, soft jerkbaits, hard twitch baits, popping corks, paddle tail swimbaits, artificial shrimp and spooks. *IF* pinfish are an issue (I've never had much of an issue in SC, but they're brutal in FL), then the Z-man plastics are absolute lifesavers. To me, the beauty of trout and red fishing is how simple you can make it compared to bass fishing. Local tackle shops are great for recommending colors, locations as well as recommended tides to fish. As far as freshwater reels in salt...I've been doing this for years with my Stradics and I never had an issue up until this last time I went to PCB in Sept. In the past, I'd ALWAYS tighten down the drag as much as possible and hit reel with the garden hose and be done with it. For some reason, that didn't work this last time, as I felt the reels being sticky on the retrieve. I sent my reels off to Reel Ex, where Dan told me I needed new bearings and that my care regimen was all wrong. His advice was to hit the reels with a few squirts of Windex, wipe them down and be done with it. So to be honest, I'm a bit confused on what care should be taken. I guess for now I'll follow Dan's advise, since he is an expert. Your mileage may vary. 1
johnD. Posted December 1, 2019 Posted December 1, 2019 44 minutes ago, Chris at Tech said: First, let me answer the easy question. Check the "other species" forum for my previous posts on my inshore fishing adventures in Hilton Head and Panama City Beach where I include some info on what I typically use. Long story short -- spoons, soft jerkbaits, hard twitch baits, popping corks, paddle tail swimbaits, artificial shrimp and spooks. *IF* pinfish are an issue (I've never had much of an issue in SC, but they're brutal in FL), then the Z-man plastics are absolute lifesavers. To me, the beauty of trout and red fishing is how simple you can make it compared to bass fishing. Local tackle shops are great for recommending colors, locations as well as recommended tides to fish. As far as freshwater reels in salt...I've been doing this for years with my Stradics and I never had an issue up until this last time I went to PCB in Sept. In the past, I'd ALWAYS tighten down the drag as much as possible and hit reel with the garden hose and be done with it. For some reason, that didn't work this last time, as I felt the reels being sticky on the retrieve. I sent my reels off to Reel Ex, where Dan told me I needed new bearings and that my care regimen was all wrong. His advice was to hit the reels with a few squirts of Windex, wipe them down and be done with it. So to be honest, I'm a bit confused on what care should be taken. I guess for now I'll follow Dan's advise, since he is an expert. Your mileage may vary. I fish saltwater twice a week , most weeks. All I ever do is spray my combos down with windex , let it sit for a couple minutes ,then hose them off with a light mist from the water hose. Sometimes I blow them dry with a the compressor sometimes I don't.. Never a problem. But I do service the line roller bearings with penn grease about every three months. I fish Spinfishers , BG's , and Stradics and treat them all the same. 1
fvogel67 Posted December 1, 2019 Posted December 1, 2019 5 hours ago, WRB said: Tackle Tour was sceptical regarding magnesium being salt water compatible claims for good reasons, marketing has been known to stretch the facts. Pflueger is brand name, where do you go to resovle false claims? If the reel is warranted and garenteed not to corrode then it's up to Pflueger to evaluate the the manufacturing flaw that caused the problem and 99.9% the cause is user damage. Agree with your findings, just not naive enough to believe Pflueger's claim. Peace, Tom I’ll buy You a Supreme and You can hang it on one of those SC7 rods You claim St Croix makes. Fish it in salt and give us a report. Peace
Super User FishTank Posted December 1, 2019 Super User Posted December 1, 2019 When I use to fish saltwater, I would rinse them off with fresh water immediately after use and oil what was needed. As far as Magnesium goes..... Never in saltwater especially if it is a cheaply coated reel..... Science stuff below. Chlorides, bromides, iodides and sulfates normally accelerate the corrosion of magnesium in aqueous solutions. Practically all heavy metal salts are likely to cause corrosion since magnesium normally displaces heavy metals from solution due to its high chemical activity, except iron phosphate solution. 06494G_Chapter_Sample.pdf
fvogel67 Posted December 1, 2019 Posted December 1, 2019 49 minutes ago, FishTank said: When I use to fish saltwater, I would rinse them off with fresh water immediately after use and oil what was needed. As far as Magnesium goes..... Never in saltwater especially if it is a cheaply coated reel..... Science stuff below. Chlorides, bromides, iodides and sulfates normally accelerate the corrosion of magnesium in aqueous solutions. Practically all heavy metal salts are likely to cause corrosion since magnesium normally displaces heavy metals from solution due to its high chemical activity, except iron phosphate solution. 06494G_Chapter_Sample.pdf 376.31 kB · 1 download My job is in the Chemical Industry,I’ve forgotten more about chemicals than you or any other poster will ever know about them. That being said,Use the Supreme in salt and if it corrodes send it back. Pretty simple They say it’s salt rated. Use it in salt if you want
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