Snell or no snell and worm weight or flipping weight.

[James Hendrix]

Im new to the flipping pitching. Got a few packs of the straight shank flipping hooks. So Im learning the snell know and think I got it masterd. I seen some stuff saying its ok to use the palamar and its just as good. And seen some prefer worm weights over flipping weights. Curious what yall prefer. And whats better.

[WRB]

What size and line type? Heavy cover?

Tom

[moguy1973]

Snell knot is going to kick the point of the hook out into the fish's mouth better than a palomar will.

[WRB]

The reason I ask about line size and type tieing a snell knot onto a straight shank hook in lieu of a turned up eye hook the knot is designed for is hook eye damaging the knot.

The theory the line has enough memory strength to kick out the hook point during a hook set isn't proven. You show the hook point at a angle without a soft plastic rigged and have no idea how the hook is positioned in the basses mouth at the time you set the hook.

weight size is dependant on the cover being penetrated, tungsten weights are small is size for a given weight then lead.

Tom

[NHBull]

Many are rethinking the Snell,  many feel that it works against wider gap hooks. It can cause the bend to hit the roof of the mouth and punch the point in.  There was just a great youtube video on the subject 

[Logan S]

I do quite a bit of flipping and pitching and gave the snell thing a try for a while.  I didn't notice a difference in hookup and landing ratios so I'm back to the palomar.  Some guys swear by the snell and more power to them, but I'm fine with the palomar.  

 

I use worm weights more often than flipping weights, but it's not something I think about too much.  I also use straight shank flipping hooks.  

[riverbasser]

I dont necessarily have an opinion either way but I watched a co angler miss hook set after hook set until he realized he tied his snell backwards. So it might not mean the snell is better but it definately seems catastrophic if tied incorrectly making the hook kick opposite

[RichF]

13 hours ago, NHBull said:

Many are rethinking the Snell,  many feel that it works against wider gap hooks. It can cause the bend to hit the roof of the mouth and punch the point in.  There was just a great youtube video on the subject 

Brandon Palaniuk did a video on this subject recently (may be the one you're referring to).  He's not convinced that the snell is better than a plain 'ol palomar and neither am I.  I tried it a little.  It's a pain to tie and I don't trust it.  The palomar reigns supreme in my book...for everything.

[NHBull]

37 minutes ago, RichF said:

Brandon Palaniuk did a video on this subject recently (may be the one you're referring to).  He's not convinced that the snell is better than a plain 'ol palomar and neither am I.  I tried it a little.  It's a pain to tie and I don't trust it.  The palomar reigns supreme in my book...for everything.

Bingo, that was the one I was referring to

[Tim Kelly]

I'm not convinced either. If the snell causes the hook to hinge up, as many demonstrate, that rotates the bend of the hook up and tucks the point away from what I can see, so if it did work then it would cause worse hook ups. My guess is it doesn't make any difference in practise and as a normal knot is easier to tie, then I'll stick with that.

[fishwizzard]

I use a snell knot on straight shank hooks that don't have a keeper as the the line itself helps keep the nose of the plastic in place.  I have never noticed a difference in hookups vs the Trilene knot I use for everything else.  

[Grim_Reaver]

I have noticed no difference in hook ups ratio with the snell knot. I'm in the process of transitioning from worm weights to flipping weights. I find that flipping weights penetrate into tight spots much easier due to the more pointed nose. In open water, it's just a sliding weight so it doesn't really matter. I would also say you should try some superline ewg hooks. Straight shanks offer better hook up ratios but EWGs are better at keeping the fish pinned after hook up.

 

 

[Mike L]

There’s always one....

I snell 100% of the time on a Trokar hook with 80 lb braid exclusively when punching and flipping into heavy cover.
Which I do maybe 70% of the time and have for years. 

I have no reason to change any part of the combination. 
 

 

 

Mike

 

[Columbia Craw]

I can see the value of the snell when punching heavy mats as the bait fall vertically and lifts vertically.  I don't punch heavy mats so I don't apply the snell knot.

[Catt]

Never snell ?

 

Don't give my weights names, that way they don't get confused when I cast with a flipping weight.

[RHuff]

I snell straight shank flipping hooks but use the palomar on worm and ewg hooks

[Fishingmickey]

On 11/25/2019 at 2:37 PM, Mike L said:

There’s always one....

I snell 100% of the time on a Trokar hook with 80 lb braid exclusively when punching and flipping into heavy cover.
Which I do maybe 70% of the time and have for years. 

I have no reason to change any part of the combination. 
 

 

 

Mike

 

Mike, Question, are you snelling the 80# braid or #80 braid to a say a 25# mono leader then snell to hook? Make that two questions.

FM

[MassYak85]

I like it....only in theory. Like @WRB said, there's no guarantee the bait is positioned in the bass's mouth where the hook is gonna kick into the roof. I don't think it hurts it either but I haven't noticed a poor hookup ratio with a palomar or other knots. I DO have trust issue with the snell knot failing though so I just don't use it. 

[Mike L]

11 hours ago, Fishingmickey said:

Mike, Question, are you snelling the 80# braid or #80 braid to a say a 25# mono leader then snell to hook? Make that two questions.

FM

Mickey

I tie directly to the hook. 
I don’t use leader’s for anything. 
 

 

 

Mike

 

[Dangerfield]

On 11/25/2019 at 9:35 AM, RichF said:

Brandon Palaniuk did a video on this subject recently (may be the one you're referring to).  He's not convinced that the snell is better than a plain 'ol palomar and neither am I.  I tried it a little.  It's a pain to tie and I don't trust it.  The palomar reigns supreme in my book...for everything.

This. Cutting the excess braid off a trokar flipping hook after snelling is a pain in the ass.

[James Hendrix]

On 11/24/2019 at 7:33 PM, WRB said:

The reason I ask about line size and type tieing a snell knot onto a straight shank hook in lieu of a turned up eye hook the knot is designed for is hook eye damaging the knot.

The theory the line has enough memory strength to kick out the hook point during a hook set isn't proven. You show the hook point at a angle without a soft plastic rigged and have no idea how the hook is positioned in the basses mouth at the time you set the hook.

weight size is dependant on the cover being penetrated, tungsten weights are small is size for a given weight then lead.

Tom

Im using 55 pound braid on one and 65pound test on the other. And sometimes I use floro leader but most the time im straight braid to hook.

[WRB]

IMO braid is too soft to cam the hook point upwards and stressing FC at the knot isn't going to work very long.

When I fish heavy cover it's 60 lb FINS braid, no leader, with the old braid knot; double line clinch knot and never had any issues.

Tom

[The Maestro]

I tried snelling for a couple of seasons and went back to using a palomar. Really don't think the snell knot improves your hookup ratio. I really feel better about trying directly to the eye.

[Mike L]

I’m convinced it helps when punching on an essentially vertical set. 
 

It’s like most everything else, everyone has their own preference dictated by their own experience. 
 

 

 

 

Mike

[James Hendrix]

On 12/3/2019 at 4:39 PM, Mike L said:

I’m convinced it helps when punching on an essentially vertical set. 
 

It’s like most everything else, everyone has their own preference dictated by their own experience. 
 

 

 

 

Mike

So you think snelling is just if your punching?