Ideal IPT for lipless cranks

[pauldconyers]

I fish a lot of smaller cranks (squarebills, 1/2 RES, 3XDs) on FC line. I always feel I kind of have a hard time slowing down my retrieve speed so I went with a reel with a 25 IPT to kind of make me slow it down a bit. Now I am wondering if I went too slow. What do you think is the ideal IPT for these kind of baits and their retrieve?

[MN Fisher]

I did all my lipless cranking with my Trion, which has a 25.9 IPT - so yours isn't that much slower. Caught several with that rig as well. So it seems to do the job for me.

[Shimano_1]

I can use anything from 26 to like 31 ipt for lipless baits. I find the faster more to my liking but with the slower I just crank a little faster.  For me it's not so much the cranking speed as it is having the speed to catch up to it when I RIP it out of grass or a fish inhales it. U should be fine with that speed

[pauldconyers]

Yeah I have Shimano SLX 6.3:1 for lipless and squarebills and it has an IPT of 25 inches. I have the opportunity to return it for the 7.2:1 which has an IPT of 29 inches. Would that be a better fit for these presentations? I realize both would do the job but being that I have the opportunity to swap it now I wonder which would be the better fit.

[zell_pop1]

1 hour ago, pauldconyers said:

Yeah I have Shimano SLX 6.3:1 for lipless and squarebills and it has an IPT of 25 inches. I have the opportunity to return it for the 7.2:1 which has an IPT of 29 inches. Would that be a better fit for these presentations? I realize both would do the job but being that I have the opportunity to swap it now I wonder which would be the better fit.

Exact reel I use for those techniques, I previously used a Citica 100DSV which had the same IPT, I say stick with it.

[Raul]

There is no such thing as "ideal" IPT for lipless cranks, unlike lipped cranks, specially deep divers, lipless cranks don't roll on it's side when reeled in at high speeds so you can reel them.in as fast as you can with a super high speed reel or go the other way around, slow rolling them at arthritic snail pace, since there is a bunch of techniques on how to work a lipless crank you can use any reel you want. Reeling in them steadily is just one of those ways.

[WRB]

The IPT changes depending on spool size, line size and capacity.

SLX 150 has a small narrow spool with low line capacity, about 100 yards of 12 lb FC filled. When you cast 35- 40 yards the IPT is reduced about 50%, meaning you must reel twice as fast at the start of the retrieve then near the boat to maintain the same lure speed.

Tom

[jbsoonerfan]

5 minutes ago, WRB said:

The IPT changes depending on spool size, line size and capacity.

SLX 150 has a small narrow spool with low line capacity, about 100 yards of 12 lb FC filled. When you cast 35- 40 yards the IPT is reduced about 50%, meaning you must reel twice as fast at the start of the retrieve then near the boat to maintain the same lure speed.

Tom

 

10 hours ago, Raul said:

There is no such thing as "ideal" IPT for lipless cranks, unlike lipped cranks, specially deep divers, lipless cranks don't roll on it's side when reeled in at high speeds so you can reel them.in as fast as you can with a super high speed reel or go the other way around, slow rolling them at arthritic snail pace, since there is a bunch of techniques on how to work a lipless crank you can use any reel you want. Reeling in them steadily is just one of those ways.

Good points, and 99% of anglers couldn't tell the difference between 25 or 30

[johnD.]

Fuego CT 6:3:1 and a Citica 7:2:1 are what I use. You can look up the IPT on those , I don't know what they are off the top of my head.

[MN Fisher]

10 minutes ago, johnD. said:

Fuego CT 6:3:1 and a Citica 7:2:1 are what I use. You can look up the IPT on those , I don't know what they are off the top of my head.

The Fuego is at 26.3 IPT - I have it on my wishlist for a dedicated crank/jerk rig.

[pauldconyers]

It just feels like if 25 IPT (or if I went up to the 7.2:1 that has 29 IPT) would both work that I'd get more flexibility to do other things with the 7.2:1 and if I have the option of swapping then now I probably should do it. Not quite sure what I'd do with a real on the slower side. If I wanted something with a lower gear ratio and and more power I've got an Orra Winch for deep cranks and swim baits. So perhaps I should change them out while I can?

[WRB]

2 hours ago, johnD. said:

Fuego CT 6:3:1 and a Citica 7:2:1 are what I use. You can look up the IPT on those , I don't know what they are off the top of my head.

I guess you didn't read my post about gear ratio/IPT.

Shimano list their reel specs, Citica 1 size 200; 7.2:1 is advertised at 30 IPT.

Tom

[newyorktoiowa57]

I like around 26ipt for all moving baits. I have tried the 7 speeds and hated them.  When I was younger I developed my default reeling speed on a 6.5:1 shimano caenan, so I stick with that. 

I prefer 8.X:1 for frogs and bottom baits. 

[pauldconyers]

On 11/12/2019 at 9:04 AM, WRB said:

The IPT changes depending on spool size, line size and capacity.

SLX 150 has a small narrow spool with low line capacity, about 100 yards of 12 lb FC filled. When you cast 35- 40 yards the IPT is reduced about 50%, meaning you must reel twice as fast at the start of the retrieve then near the boat to maintain the same lure speed.

Tom

So if you were going to use a reel with a small narrow spool like you mentioned would it be "smart" to go with a reel that features a slightly higher stated IPT to somewhat "compensate?"

[WRB]

Google Gary Klein how line affects lures vedio.

Watch closely how Gary runs the line over his index finger tip and under his thumb pad to "feel" the line. I always in contact with my line using my index finger under the line and thumb pad over the line, far more sensitive then any rod ever made.

Tom

[pauldconyers]

14 minutes ago, WRB said:

Google Gary Klein how line affects lures vedio.

Watch closely how Gary runs the line over his index finger tip and under his thumb pad to "feel" the line. I always in contact with my line using my index finger under the line and thumb pad over the line, far more sensitive then any rod ever made.

Tom

I was searching all over YouTube the other day for Gary doing this when you mentioned it. Do you just kind of lightly hold the line between your two fingers or do you hold it tight enough that when you retrieve line you are truly creating some tension on the line?

[WRB]

I learned to use bait casting reels that didn't have a level wind Langley 340* Target shortly after using a level Laangley 330 Lure Cast. With the Target you are the level wind so running the line back and forth as you retreive the line became normal. The advantage was feeling the line and instantly detecting strikes. 

In the early 70's Fenwick introduced the Trigger Stick design in lieu of the pistol grip rods, game changer. I leaned to hold the rod with little finger, ring finger under the reel and middle finger on the foregrip resting the reel side plate against my hand Palm before low profile reels existed. Holding the reel and rod this way my index finger and thumb are free to control and feel the line running lightly over and under like I learned with the old Langley 340 reel. No longer need to assist the line onto the reel with today's baitcasting reels. Although salt water convental reels don't have level winds do to the speed of strong fish making long runs level winds can fail, so it's a good skill to learn.

Regarding IPT you crank faster at the beginning of the retreive and slow down as the lure gets closer to you, no panacea ratio just get use to what you use.

Tom

*early free spool reel baitcaster

[garroyo130]

Im always confused by the math on the IPT threads. I don't believe that IPT is affected quite as much as is stated, especially on low profile reels running small diameter line. Reason being on a smaller spool, the spool diameter itself will make up a larger percentage of the overall diameter (line + spool). While it might seem like on a reel spooled with 100 yards of line a 50 yard cast would reduce IPT by 50%, you have to account for spool diameter. 

 

Maybe someone can check it by manually pulling line, but I would be curious to see what the true difference in IPT is post vs pre cast.