What line do you use with which technique (crank, jigs, topwater...)

[NYWayfarer]

I use mono most of the time for everything. Lately I have been dabbling with the following formula:

 

Topwater = mono

Sinking bait and cranks = Fluoro

Punching and frogs = Braid

 

No leaders.

[Hewhospeaksmuchbull]

On 11/16/2019 at 5:13 PM, Bigassbass said:

Mono for everything, green.  braid doesn't float and who wants to tie on leaders to a fishing line and who wants to carry scissors. 

Huh, my braid defiantly floats and I'm pretty sure most do. Tie a leader if I need one. I carry a small folding razor knife that fits in change pocket of my Levi's.

 

I use only braid, 50# on everything. With a eight or ten pound leader for finesse.

[Tizi]

Crankbaits (square bills to deep divers) - Yo-Zuri Hybrid (8, 10 and 12 lb)

Spinnerbaits - Yo-Zuri Hybrid (8, 10 and 12 lb)

Jerkbaits - Seaguar Invisx 10 lb

Jigs/Worms - Seaquar Invisx (10 or 14 lb)

Frogs - Daiwa J-braid 65 lb

Swimbaits - Berkley Big Game 20 lb

Finesse - Seaguar Invisx 6 lb

 

I don't use leaders for anything.

[WRB]

The mono stretch syndrome is imprinted into the minds of bass anglers while FC line doesn't stretch or may stretch less mono and braid doesn't stretch. Line choices are based on these beliefs as false as they are.

Having tested line for decades using accurate Instron machine that records yield strength, elongation and ultimate strength for materials used in aerospace. monofilament lines including Nylon, copolymer and Flurocarbon line all start to yield (stretch) somewhere between 35 to 40% of the ultimate strength (breaking point).

In simple terms all single filiment fishing lines are equal in the force to stretch them.

Braid made of Spectra fibers or basically all of today's braided fishing line starts to yield around 80 to 85% of ultimate strength, it stretches at much higher forces.

It's the don't confuse me with facts my mind is made up thinking.

I use mono Nylon line for it's reliable knot strength, abrasion resistance, nuetral bouyancy and lower memory since the early 60's. 

Today;

Berkley Big game 10 & 12 lb , Sunline Defier Armillo 11& 25 lb and Maxima Ultra Green 5 lbs mono lines for the majority of my bass fishing presentations.

Sunline Shooter and Sniper 7 lb, 12 & 16 lb FC line for bottom contact lure presentations during day time. I don't trust my FC knot tying or impact strength at night so revert to mono.

Exception is dragging a slip shot rig I use Maxima 5 lb for finesse presentations.

Braid, I use only 1 braid FINS 60 lb for heavy cover presentation no leader.

Tom

PS, my top 5 LMB were caught on 10 and 12 lb mono line.

 

[Dens228]

I keep it very simple..

20 lb 832 with a 12 pound mono leader for cranks, jerks, small topwater like poppers and walking baits

30 lb 832 for jigs, spinnerbaits, swimbaits, T-rigs, plastics

65 lb 832 for frogging and punching

[PourMyOwn]

11 minutes ago, WRB said:

The mono stretch syndrome is imprinted into the minds of bass anglers while FC line doesn't stretch or may stretch less mono and braid doesn't stretch. Line choices are based on these beliefs as false as they are.

Having tested line for decades using accurate Instron machine that records yield strength, elongation and ultimate strength for materials used in aerospace. monofilament lines including Nylon, copolymer and Flurocarbon line all start to yield (stretch) somewhere between 35 to 40% of the ultimate strength (breaking point).

In simple terms all single filiment fishing lines are equal in the force to stretch them.

Braid made of Spectra fibers or basically all of today's braided fishing line starts to yield around 80 to 85% of ultimate strength, it stretches at much higher forces.

It's the don't confuse me with facts my mind is made up thinking.

I use mono Nylon line for it's reliable knot strength, abrasion resistance, nuetral bouyancy and lower memory since the early 60's. 

Today;

Berkley Big game 10 & 12 lb , Sunline Defier Armillo 11& 25 lb and Maxima Ultra Green 5 lbs mono lines for the majority of my bass fishing presentations.

Sunline Shooter and Sniper 7 lb, 12 & 16 lb FC line for bottom contact lure presentations during day time. I don't trust my FC knot tying or impact strength at night so revert to mono.

Exception is dragging a slip shot rig I use Maxima 5 lb for finesse presentations.

Braid, I use only 1 braid FINS 60 lb for heavy cover presentation no leader.

Tom

PS, my top 5 LMB were caught on 10 and 12 lb mono line.

 

Thanks for a really informative post. 

 

I see that you also use Maxima-by any chance do you use Ultra Green? I'm looking for a new line to buy in bulk now that my beloved Silver Thread has been discontinued.

[WRB]

Yes I listed Maxima Ultra Green 5 lb for finesse presentations. Check the line diameters you used verses Sunline Armillo for high performance mono. Maxima tends to be a higher memory line do to it's abrasion resistance, very strong line and check the diameter per lb test for comparison.

Tom

[fissure_man]

2 hours ago, WRB said:

monofilament lines including Nylon, copolymer and Flurocarbon line all start to yield (stretch) somewhere between 35 to 40% of the ultimate strength (breaking point).

yield =/= stretch

[WRB]

59 minutes ago, fissure_man said:

yield =/= stretch

True, yield = force in pounds. 

35% of 12 lb test line = 4.2 lbs force require to yield or stretch the 12 lb test mono line.

The average MH (medium heavy) or 4 power bass rod can apply 4 lbs of lifting force before bottoming out. Bottoming out means the rod is fully bent 90 degrees tip to reel and may fail if any more force is applied.4 lbs of force with 12 lb test line is required to start the yield or stretch process.

Simple test wrap the line around each hand several wraps with about 1' of line space between the hands. Now move your hande wider part applying force to stretch the line.

The line is digging into your hands not stretching until enough force is applied. You can have someone mark the line and watch for stretch movement between the marks on the line between your hands. 

If you snap your hands apart that represents impact strength, also import with line.

What everyone feels as mono strectch is the force required to overcome coeffienct of water drag creating a big bow in the line to straighten out the bow. 

Tom

 

[fissure_man]

What I mean is, ‘force to yield’ should not be equated with ‘force to stretch.’ In fact, the concept of a minimum ‘force to stretch’ doesn’t even make sense, because it implies that below some threshold the material is infinitely stiff.

 

Yield refers to irreversible deformation beyond the material’s elastic limit. Although an elastic-plastic material under tension does stretch or elongate as it yields, an elastic ‘phase’ of stretching begins immediately upon loading and increases with increasing load. This is the ‘stretch’ that anglers refer to!

 

For a material like nylon fishing line under short term loading, significant elastic strain (stretch) can and does occur before any yielding, and this stretch is at detectable at very low loads. Nylon mono’s tendency to return to original length even after significant stretching displays its capacity for elastic (non-yielding) deformation.

 

The experiment with 1 ft of line will certainly not violate the above, though it may be difficult to eyeball the elastic stretch with such a short length between one’s hands. If you attach one end of the line to something rigid and the other to a proper handle, even 1 ft of line would stretch by a length easily felt and measured. The stretch will be miniscule, but its magnitude (stretched length minus original length) for a given load is proportional to the length of the line – that tiny stretch felt over 1 ft can be multiplied by 100 (ft) for a reasonable-length cast. 

 

Whether or not this stretch matters or is a meaningful obstacle to fishing success is a question for another day, but there’s no question that it occurs!   

 

The aerospace industry (with which you are familiar) relies on many precision-engineered components and materials to deform elastically without yielding; the concept is the same.    

[WRB]

Agree, consider the applied force is being applied by a flexible fishing rod in units of onces so low that no measurable elasticity can not be detected. I didn't want to get into time over strain or many other factors that are all off set by coeffient of drag that nylon line creates is greater then any other fishing line. If you or anyone has experience with very fast strong game fish like Wahoo, tuna or Marlin the line drag going through water is obvious.

If mono stretched over 100' of line length it would be impossible to apply enough force to penetrate a hook set  with 5/0 jigs at that distances, a fact I accomplish on a regularly.

Peace,

Tom

[clemsondds]

Has anyone seen any studies or experiments to show if fish can truly detect straight braid vs braid to leader?  Thinking about switching to straight braid for some jig applications. Thanks 

[Choporoz]

2 hours ago, clemsondds said:

Has anyone seen any studies or experiments to show if fish can truly detect straight braid vs braid to leader?  Thinking about switching to straight braid for some jig applications. Thanks 

You will get wide range of opinions,  but not likely anything related to scientific experimentation.   And even if you find some factual answer to your question about 'detection'....you still may not be any closer to knowing if that limits your likelihood of getting bit.

It seems to be fairly commonly accepted that less line visibility is better.  But that might be a flawed assumption to start the discussion.   

[michael1]

On ‎12‎/‎6‎/‎2019 at 11:27 AM, WRB said:

Sunline Shooter and Sniper 7 lb, 12 & 16 lb FC line for bottom contact lure presentations during day time. I don't trust my FC knot tying or impact strength at night so revert to mono.

 

I was wondering about this statement. Were you just saying you did not trust yourself to tie a quality knot with FC with it being dark at night?

[WRB]

No FC has poor knot impact strength compared to premium mono line, about 20 % less regardless of the knot used. During the day my average casting distance is 40 yards, at night maybe 30 yards, shorter distance equals higher impact setting hooks, plus added adrenalin.

My knot tieing skill is good.

Tom

[NoShoes]

On 12/6/2019 at 12:27 PM, WRB said:

The mono stretch syndrome is imprinted into the minds of bass anglers while FC line doesn't stretch or may stretch less mono and braid doesn't stretch. Line choices are based on these beliefs as false as they are.

Having tested line for decades using accurate Instron machine that records yield strength, elongation and ultimate strength for materials used in aerospace. monofilament lines including Nylon, copolymer and Flurocarbon line all start to yield (stretch) somewhere between 35 to 40% of the ultimate strength (breaking point).

In simple terms all single filiment fishing lines are equal in the force to stretch them.

Braid made of Spectra fibers or basically all of today's braided fishing line starts to yield around 80 to 85% of ultimate strength, it stretches at much higher forces.

It's the don't confuse me with facts my mind is made up thinking.

I use mono Nylon line for it's reliable knot strength, abrasion resistance, nuetral bouyancy and lower memory since the early 60's. 

Today;

Berkley Big game 10 & 12 lb , Sunline Defier Armillo 11& 25 lb and Maxima Ultra Green 5 lbs mono lines for the majority of my bass fishing presentations.

Sunline Shooter and Sniper 7 lb, 12 & 16 lb FC line for bottom contact lure presentations during day time. I don't trust my FC knot tying or impact strength at night so revert to mono.

Exception is dragging a slip shot rig I use Maxima 5 lb for finesse presentations.

Braid, I use only 1 braid FINS 60 lb for heavy cover presentation no leader.

Tom

PS, my top 5 LMB were caught on 10 and 12 lb mono line.

 

As a big proponent of mono line, what qualities of fluorocarbon bring you to use it for your day time bottom contact usage even with its deficiencies?

 

Ive been flipping between 12 lb big game and fluoro for the past month or so as a leader on my Texas rigs (I like braid as a mainline just for how it casts and line management). I’ve done extremely well with the fluoro but believe I would’ve done just as well with a mono line leader those days. 

[Heartland]

On 12/6/2019 at 11:27 AM, WRB said:

The mono stretch syndrome is imprinted into the minds of bass anglers while FC line doesn't stretch or may stretch less mono and braid doesn't stretch. Line choices are based on these beliefs as false as they are.

Having tested line for decades using accurate Instron machine that records yield strength, elongation and ultimate strength for materials used in aerospace. monofilament lines including Nylon, copolymer and Flurocarbon line all start to yield (stretch) somewhere between 35 to 40% of the ultimate strength (breaking point).

In simple terms all single filiment fishing lines are equal in the force to stretch them.

Braid made of Spectra fibers or basically all of today's braided fishing line starts to yield around 80 to 85% of ultimate strength, it stretches at much higher forces.

It's the don't confuse me with facts my mind is made up thinking.

I use mono Nylon line for it's reliable knot strength, abrasion resistance, nuetral bouyancy and lower memory since the early 60's. 

Today;

Berkley Big game 10 & 12 lb , Sunline Defier Armillo 11& 25 lb and Maxima Ultra Green 5 lbs mono lines for the majority of my bass fishing presentations.

Sunline Shooter and Sniper 7 lb, 12 & 16 lb FC line for bottom contact lure presentations during day time. I don't trust my FC knot tying or impact strength at night so revert to mono.

Exception is dragging a slip shot rig I use Maxima 5 lb for finesse presentations.

Braid, I use only 1 braid FINS 60 lb for heavy cover presentation no leader.

Tom

PS, my top 5 LMB were caught on 10 and 12 lb mono line.

 

The results I have seen from the Instron do  not support your conclusions that all mono-filament lines stretch the same to breaking point.   The results I have seen indicate that FC lines have much less stretch at the beginning and then stretch somewhat linearly to breaking strength, nylon tends to stretch much more linearly throughout.   Also the way the two materials elongate is very different. 

[WRB]

2 hours ago, Heartland said:

The results I have seen from the Instron do  not support your conclusions that all mono-filament lines stretch the same to breaking point.   The results I have seen indicate that FC lines have much less stretch at the beginning and then stretch somewhat linearly to breaking strength, nylon tends to stretch much more linearly throughout.   Also the way the two materials elongate is very different. 

The load rate is critical when testing fishing line. There isn't a prodedure to follow so we try to duplicate fishing conditions. I use .25" per second,  faster the test becomes more Impact strength, too slow it becomes elongation vs tensile test.

I agree each material behaves differently and technically very different. My state was towards practical differenc the angler can notice.

 

[Heartland]

1 minute ago, WRB said:

The load rate is critical when testing fishing line. There isn't a prodedure to follow so we try to duplicate fishing conditions. I use .25" per second,  faster the test becomes more Impact strength, too slow it becomes elongation vs tensile test.

I agree each material behaves differently and technically very different. My state was towards practical differenc the angler can notice.

 

Testing methodology is certainly a big key to the results you will arrive at.  The results I have seen, have been conducted using dry line, I am sure that wet line will yield even more information on similarity or difference.

 

There was a good website where a guy conducted a bunch of tests using the Instron to show the stretch characteristics of both types of line, it was older information but very informative.  

[WRB]

17 minutes ago, Heartland said:

Testing methodology is certainly a big key to the results you will arrive at.  The results I have seen, have been conducted using dry line, I am sure that wet line will yield even more information on similarity or difference.

 

There was a good website where a guy conducted a bunch of tests using the Instron to show the stretch characteristics of both types of line, it was older information but very informative.  

Data doesn't change with age, the results should good. 

TT did several line tests with varing results but used label lb test in lieu of line diameters and that is a big variable.

My testing was for my own info and discovered how much line dia varies between lb test ratings.  Always looking for a superior line and they all have thier strength and weaknesses. 

The best line I tested turned out to a deserter in practical use, broke easily on short line hook sets...poor impact strength that didn't show until fishing a night tournament.

Tom

[Heartland]

15 minutes ago, WRB said:

Data doesn't change with age, the results should good. 

TT did several line tests with varing results but used label lb test in lieu of line diameters and that is a big variable.

My testing was for my own info and discovered how much line dia varies between lb test ratings.  Always looking for a superior line and they all have thier strength and weaknesses. 

The best line I tested turned out to a deserter in practical use, broke easily on short line hook sets...poor impact strength that didn't show until fishing a night tournament.

Tom

I agree the data obtained is still accurate.  Just wanted to note this because some of the lines that were tested are  either no longer made or are not widely in use.  I would have to think that formulations and processes have become better, creating lines that are  more consistent in terms of thickness throughout the spool and formulations that come much closer to representing some of the claims as advertised.