5304 Owner 60º Deep Throat Jig Hooks

[T.Killian]

OK, so I've got hundreds of regular 4802 Mustad 32786 60º Flipping Hooks on the shelf ready for the next pour session.. but I'm very intrigued by the 5304  Owner... I need some real life opinion of comparison between the two hooks, size comparison, mold fit, anything you can offer.  If they are as good as I'm hoping they "might" be... I may have to make the swap.

 

TIA!

[Bluebasser86]

They're nasty, sticky sharp hooks. I don't use them often anymore since I don't fish tournaments often, but if I was they'd be the jig hook I'd be pouring my jigs on. They fit every mold I used them in that a similar Mustad/Eagle Claw was supposed to fit. I mainly used them for brush jigs though. I've slammed them through some thick ol' lips with relative ease.

[smalljaw67]

The 5304 is a wicked hook, it penetrates easily and really holds well. I make a finesse football jig in 1/8oz with a #1 5304 that I have to order direct from Owner since most vendors don't carry that small size. Also the number is 5304, the number 5102 is a lure parts online SKU, I'm letting you know because if you look for that hook in other places you won't find a 5102. Barlow's actually sells that hook at a better price but if you only want to get less than 25 you have to use LPO. The last thing is the 5304 is a 2X strong hook but it is thinner diameter than the 32786. So if you get those hooks don't be fooled into thinking it isn't as strong as the 32786.

[T.Killian]

Thank you both.  I just realized the number was the lpo number when I placed my order from Barlow's today.  Needed to make an order so I figured I'd get a few hooks to play with and now I feel even better about my decision.  Thanks guys!

[Munkin]

Only downside to this hook besides cost is they rust easily.

 

Allen

[T.Killian]

On 10/19/2019 at 7:19 AM, smalljaw67 said:

The 5304 is a wicked hook, it penetrates easily and really holds well. I make a finesse football jig in 1/8oz with a #1

Ok... so I gotta ask what are you doing with that small of a jig?  Do you have a photo? I'd love to see it.

[smalljaw67]

15 hours ago, T.Killian said:

Ok... so I gotta ask what are you doing with that small of a jig?  Do you have a photo? I'd love to see it.

I don't have a pic, sorry. What I'm doing with that size jig is fishing gin clear shallow water. River smallmouth mostly but right now the local lakes have a winter draw down. Falling water and fishing pressure have the fish spooky, that small jig dragged over a shallow rock flat will get bit 10 to 1 over a traditional size jig and it isn't just small fish either. It works similar to a Ned rig but it will usually get bigger bites, and if the jig don't work then I go with a Ned rig.

[T.Killian]

Ok that makes sense.  I don't have that clear of water clarity, and only 1 small mouth lake nearby so I probably won't be going that small.. but maybe halfway there for what my conditions dictate finesse to be would be a good idea!

Thanks!

[smalljaw67]

3 hours ago, T.Killian said:

Ok that makes sense.  I don't have that clear of water clarity, and only 1 small mouth lake nearby so I probably won't be going that small.. but maybe halfway there for what my conditions dictate finesse to be would be a good idea!

Thanks!

I'm posting a link to a video I did with a little larger jig. It is a 1/4oz football head with a 1/0 Owner 5304 deep throat jig hook. The 1/8oz is the same jig just a little smaller, I will use the 1/4oz if there is some stain on the water. The Netbait tiny Paca chunk works well on both jigs.  

 

[T.Killian]

That's a great video.  Heck I had seen it before some years back and didn't put two and two together haha.  My hooks will be here Thursday for my test batch.  Ready to get my hands on them.

[WRB]

The Owner 5304 is a heavy wire 60 degree jig hook that IMO isn't suitable for finesse size 1/8-1/4 oz jigs unless you are using line and rods strong enough to get a good hook set. Excellent hook for standard size bass jigs.

Tom

PS, maybe th title should be corrected for this thread. 

[smalljaw67]

23 minutes ago, WRB said:

The Owner 5304 is a heavy wire 60 degree jig hook that IMO isn't suitable for finesse size 1/8-1/4 oz jigs unless you are using line and rods strong enough to get a good hook set. Excellent hook for standard size bass jigs.

Tom

PS, maybe th title should be corrected for this thread. 

You are correct Tom however they are thinner than most heavy wire hooks. I use a size #1 and a 1/0 that are actually a small diameter. The size #1 I use in the 1/8oz has a wire diameter of .038" and the 1/0 is .041" which is very small for this type of hook. The main reason I use this hook for that jig is it allows me to use heavier tackle without issue but it still works well using a spinning rod with 8lb line and I've landed countless numbers of 3lb to 6lb smallmouth on 8lb line using that jig. It is a 2X strong hook but it is also the thinnest in that category, a win-win jig hook that can be used a lot of different ways effectively.

[WRB]

As long as it's under .047 D wire it shouldn't be a problem using 8 line. 

Tom

[IgotWood]

I love this hook! It’s super sharp, and I rarely miss a fish with it. And for a light wire hook, it is way stronger than you may expect. The hook point is also really tough. I have never bent or dulled a hook point on a hang-up.

 

However, the one thing I really hate about this hook is that is seems to rust pretty quickly; in my experience, faster than any other jig hooks. And it always seems to be the hook point that rusts first. Once that happens, you might as well throw it out because a file or sharpener just doesn’t do it.

 

Despite the one complaint I have about this hook, I still use it a lot. I buy plenty of Siebert jigs with this hook, and I tie a lot of flies with it, believe it or not. 

[T.Killian]

Update on what I've found so far with this hook vs the Mustad 32786 60º.  The Owner is overall IMO a higher quality hook - better cutting point design, stiff, thinner wire dia. lots of great qualities... What it has that turns me slightly awry is that the gap and shank are a fair amount smaller (I believe it was 0.094" - 0.125" difference) for the Owner 5/0 vs Mustad 5/0.  I went ahead and poured all the hooks on a batch of football heads, and so far I've had limited testing, but haven't lost one with it yet.  Side note: I have received the wrong product from L.P.O. concerning hooks before...  There is a slight possibility that they sent me 4/0 and labeled it 5/0.. that I can't be sure of yet. 

[onthewater102]

On 10/20/2019 at 10:26 AM, Munkin said:

Only downside to this hook besides cost is they rust easily.

 

Allen

One way I've found around this with hooks that tend to rust is to get some black nail polish and paint the shank of the hook that will be buried in the salted plastic before I tie the jig.

I'm careful to air out my tackle boxes in front of the dehumidifier in the basement after a trip, so they're not in storage damp. Between the two I haven't had any more issues with gear rusting and it's turned into a lot of $$$ saved over the last few years.

[Munkin]

2 hours ago, T.Killian said:

Update on what I've found so far with this hook vs the Mustad 32786 60º.  The Owner is overall IMO a higher quality hook - better cutting point design, stiff, thinner wire dia. lots of great qualities... What it has that turns me slightly awry is that the gap and shank are a fair amount smaller (I believe it was 0.094" - 0.125" difference) for the Owner 5/0 vs Mustad 5/0.  I went ahead and poured all the hooks on a batch of football heads, and so far I've had limited testing, but haven't lost one with it yet.  Side note: I have received the wrong product from L.P.O. concerning hooks before...  There is a slight possibility that they sent me 4/0 and labeled it 5/0.. that I can't be sure of yet. 

Owners run bigger that other hooks listed in the same size. 

 

Allen