Jim- Indiana Posted October 11, 2019 Posted October 11, 2019 The current movement in the sport, no doubt has raised lots of questions and opinions. Based on opinion differences, I am seeing lots of discussions that are turning into arguments which go nowhere.... to each his own, and only time will tell. For health reasons, and age, my days are over, so I'm just a fan. Rather than participating in arguments of which is best, and what is going to happen in the future, I am wondering how this affects the teaching of the sport. Although there are many parallels, there are distinctly different goals at the tournament level. 1 Quote
BassResource.com Administrator Glenn Posted October 11, 2019 BassResource.com Administrator Posted October 11, 2019 I really don't understand why people have to get all emotional over it and argue with each other. It's fishing folks. It's supposed to be fun. If instead your blood starts to boil over a conversation about fishing, then perhaps fishing may not be your thing. 4 Quote
r83srock Posted October 11, 2019 Posted October 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jim- Indiana said: The current movement in the sport, no doubt has raised lots of questions and opinions. Based on opinion differences, I am seeing lots of discussions that are turning into arguments which go nowhere.... to each his own, and only time will tell. For health reasons, and age, my days are over, so I'm just a fan. Rather than participating in arguments of which is best, and what is going to happen in the future, I am wondering how this affects the teaching of the sport. Although there are many parallels, there are distinctly different goals at the tournament level. My thoughts exactly. How does this affect the federation/club level fisherman? Right now in my area/state both FLW and BASS leave a lot to be desired for us club fishermen with little support to grow. My club was FLW/TBF for years, switching to BASS last year. We are giving it one more year in BASS then we will decide if we want to be an affiliated club at all. Looking forward to hearing what you and others think. Hope it stays respectful and civil. 1 Quote
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted October 11, 2019 Global Moderator Posted October 11, 2019 56 minutes ago, Glenn said: I really don't understand why people have to get all emotional over it and argue with each other. It's fishing folks. It's supposed to be fun. If instead your blood starts to boil over a conversation about fishing, then perhaps fishing may not be your thing. Methinks the hard feelings all arise when money is involved. Which is why i dont fish tournaments and got burned out guiding full time in '08. Well that and fast boats scare the crap out of me..... Quote
BassResource.com Administrator Glenn Posted October 11, 2019 BassResource.com Administrator Posted October 11, 2019 46 minutes ago, r83srock said: We are giving it one more year in BASS then we will decide if we want to be an affiliated club at all. My club has been in existence since 1938 - long before B.A.S.S. was around. It's never been affiliated with anyone, and has no plans to be affiliated with anyone either - especially now. My advice - go independent. It can be done. We've been doing it for over 80 years! 1 Quote
r83srock Posted October 11, 2019 Posted October 11, 2019 31 minutes ago, Glenn said: My club has been in existence since 1938 - long before B.A.S.S. was around. It's never been affiliated with anyone, and has no plans to be affiliated with anyone either - especially now. My advice - go independent. It can be done. We've been doing it for over 80 years! Very cool! Is your club bass specific? I know some non affiliated clubs are multi species. I, and some others would be fine going independent. Others will not. Not going to make everyone happy, and as stated my the op, different goals across the board. Quote
Super User Tennessee Boy Posted October 12, 2019 Super User Posted October 12, 2019 @Jim- Indiana I know exactly what you’re saying. I think MLF/BPT has created a much more enjoyable format for the average spectator. The competition plays out over hours not days. The anglers fish more like the average angler fishes because most anglers fish for numbers more than for size. There’s also more action to keep your attention. That’s why it’s been so successful. I’ve been very critical of the new format because I don’t think it’s a good test of what I consider to be real fishing skills. Maybe I’m just old fashion. The good news is, as the sport becomes more of a numbers game and the next generation focuses more on numbers, there will be more big fish for us old guys. 2 Quote
ReedFish Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 On 10/11/2019 at 1:36 PM, Glenn said: My club has been in existence since 1938 - long before B.A.S.S. was around. It's never been affiliated with anyone, and has no plans to be affiliated with anyone either - especially now. My advice - go independent. It can be done. We've been doing it for over 80 years! Does your club have their own liability insurance on events that you host? In my opinion that is the only reason to be affiliated with BASS or FLW clubs...they do offer some coverage on events in case of a worse scenario happening during your club event. Quote
BassResource.com Administrator Glenn Posted October 17, 2019 BassResource.com Administrator Posted October 17, 2019 Yes, they do. But there's also an indemnity clause for voluntarily participating in their events too. So that keeps insurance rates down. 1 Quote
billmac Posted October 17, 2019 Posted October 17, 2019 The thing that separates BASS from MLF for me, and perhaps a topic where there might be stronger disagreement, is that I belief the MLF format and rules (pre FLW acquisition) is more respectful of the fish and the fishery. Just my opinion. 2 Quote
r83srock Posted October 18, 2019 Posted October 18, 2019 4 hours ago, billmac said: The thing that separates BASS from MLF for me, and perhaps a topic where there might be stronger disagreement, is that I belief the MLF format and rules (pre FLW acquisition) is more respectful of the fish and the fishery. Just my opinion. I agree. I like that the fish go right back! Quote
BassNJake Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 News from the MLFLW camp - The new FLW pro level tour will fish 7 4 day tourneys using the 5 biggest fish format The New championship event will be using the MLF format Starting in 2021 the top 10 in points(from 2020+2021) will be promoted to the BPT tour. Quote
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted October 23, 2019 Super User Posted October 23, 2019 Will the commercials during the BPT events and MLF events still bash on livewell tournaments since the owners of MLF/BPT are now in charge of FLW and are going to be using livewell tournaments? LOL Seems as though that was their "selling point" to some people when they started MLF. Quote
Troy85 Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 1 hour ago, jbsoonerfan said: Will the commercials during the BPT events and MLF events still bash on livewell tournaments since the owners of MLF/BPT are now in charge of FLW and are going to be using livewell tournaments? LOL Seems as though that was their "selling point" to some people when they started MLF. LOL! I am so tired of those commercials. 1 Quote
Logan S Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 MLF is now the biggest livewell tour/organization in the world...What a shocking turn of events given the all the livewell talk earlier this year! I do like the new FLW stuff, assuming it all remains as proposed. Looks like they finally realized that most tournament anglers prefer the traditional format, smart move. 1 Quote
BassNJake Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 I like that it establishes a qualifying aspect to getting into and remaining on the BPT. Here's the bottom 15 from MLF this year Quote
ReedFish Posted October 23, 2019 Posted October 23, 2019 This looks great to me, a true grass-roots all the way to the Major Leagues. Nice to see the increase in the Costa Series (AA Ball) to 8 divisions instead of 5. A lot of options for pros next year, competition is good in the end! 1 Quote
Super User WRB Posted October 23, 2019 Super User Posted October 23, 2019 On October 11, 2019 at 11:36 AM, Glenn said: My club has been in existence since 1938 - long before B.A.S.S. was around. It's never been affiliated with anyone, and has no plans to be affiliated with anyone either - especially now. My advice - go independent. It can be done. We've been doing it for over 80 years! Wow that is a old bass club! lived in the Seattle area from '69-'70 and thought I was the only bass angler in Washington, never ran into another bass angler, everyone up there called bass trash fish. Interesting! I don't know of any SoCal bass clubs with B.A.S.S. Affiliation although several have the name Bassmasters in the club name. Tom Quote
Super User Oregon Native Posted October 31, 2019 Super User Posted October 31, 2019 Played this game on many levels for a long time and now to just sit back and watch the developments is head moving. People are sooooo critical of everyone....gotta be me me me my my my way. Your fish isn't long enough for TV.....your fish is too big....they wear the wrong shirts...oh...you shake when you fish...you don't drink coffee or carry a banana in the boat....how come they pay you...what you doin here!!!! What a funny looking boat...on and on and on. Still love the sport.....love Probably won't be long before they have to wear helmets, finger protectors, have a sport drink on the belt, larger windshield to protect from flying objects, four to a boat.....and on. Sorry.....it's early....only on second cup Thank you Lord I still Love your gifts. 1 1 Quote
livin2fish Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 I'll probably never make it to a weigh in at a bass tournament, so for me it is who has the best TV coverage and the most action, big fish or little fish, I don't care. This thread started out with a question regarding the teaching of the sport. Many new anglers are speeding their learning of the sport watching videos and TV, and participating in forums like BR. When they can spend time on the water they are better prepared. Those who are learning from their parents and mentors who take them fishing at an early age have an advantage, which is as it should be. 2 Quote
curtis9 Posted October 31, 2019 Posted October 31, 2019 I think the biggest thing MLF did was figure out how to keep score realtime in a tournament and encourage guys to catch fish the entire time. They've made it a TV friendly tournament, vs watching live, then waiting a few hours for a weigh in to see who won. 1 Quote
D.W. Verts Posted November 1, 2019 Posted November 1, 2019 17 hours ago, Oregon Native said: Played this game on many levels for a long time and now to just sit back and watch the developments is head moving. People are sooooo critical of everyone....gotta be me me me my my my way. Your fish isn't long enough for TV.....your fish is too big....they wear the wrong shirts...oh...you shake when you fish...you don't drink coffee or carry a banana in the boat....how come they pay you...what you doin here!!!! What a funny looking boat...on and on and on. Still love the sport.....love Probably won't be long before they have to wear helmets, finger protectors, have a sport drink on the belt, larger windshield to protect from flying objects, four to a boat.....and on. Sorry.....it's early....only on second cup Thank you Lord I still Love your gifts. The BEST post that I've seen on this subject to date. Thank you. Quote
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