How strong is this simple drop-shot knot?

[FryDog62]

I saw a few previous threads about this knot or a variation of... and am wondering for those of you who have used it - how strong is it?  

 

It looks very simple to tie and end up with the hook positioned correctly, however I have a bias towards knots that pass through the hook eye twice.  This knot only goes through the eye once.  But maybe it’s strong enough??  Anyone weigh in on how well it works, strength?  

 

 

[MN Fisher]

I used that knot and it seemed to work fine. Double line through the eye IS preferable, but since I fish Drop-Shot on 8#, I don't think it's critical.

 

Now I use VMC spin-shot hooks and the 'Multifile-Knoten' at all attachment points.

[snake95]

I use a good old palomar and loop the tagline down through the eye.

 

I am still new to dropshoting, and I think that Palomar is not the best for fluoro, but, I haven't found anything better for dropshoting yet.

[FryDog62]

1 hour ago, snake95 said:

I use a good old palomar and loop the tagline down through the eye.

 

I am still new to dropshoting, and I think that Palomar is not the best for fluoro, but, I haven't found anything better for dropshoting yet.

That’s why I’m looking to switch to this knot, have heard a few reports that the Palomar can dig into itself when under stress and accelerates breaking strength.  Plus sometimes I don’t always get the hook in the ideal position with a Palomar and this new knot looks to be better in that regard.  

4 hours ago, MN Fisher said:

I used that knot and it seemed to work fine. Double line through the eye IS preferable, but since I fish Drop-Shot on 8#, I don't think it's critical.

 

Now I use VMC spin-shot hooks and the 'Multifile-Knoten' at all attachment points.

I don’t use the spin-shot any more because I switched to all baitcaster (and it has less line twist than spinning) plus the spin-shot requires one extra knot that could potentially fail.  But I know many people use

it and like it...

 

I suppose I could loop twice through the eye when tying this new knot.. worth trying anyway..

[JustJames]

It super easy to tie, hardly ever mess up and hook always stay 90 degree to the line. I have used this knot ever since I saw it 4-5 years ago. Now strong knot is somewhat questionable, someday it hold quite well some day not. I would rate it as strong as trilene knot. If you use light line 6-8lb 6 warps is expected.

[Smalls]

I use it, because I hate the palomar knot. I haven’t had any issues with it. 

[WRB]

If you are a salt water fisherman you recognize the knot as a dropper loop knot.

Tom

[Catt]

14 hours ago, FryDog62 said:

Palomar can dig into itself when under stress and accelerates breaking strength

 

Operator error!

 

Regardless of knot letting the lines cross each other will result in break-offs.

 

Even in the above picture at no time does the line cross itself.

[Big Rick]

6 hours ago, Catt said:

 

Operator error!

 

Regardless of knot letting the lines cross each other will result in break-offs.

 

Even in the above picture at no time does the line cross itself.

I knew this was coming, LOL!!

 

Those that have mastered the Palomar knot usually prefer it over any other knot for strength, ease of tying, and lack of slipping. I use it on ALL lines regardless of diameter or type. And it doesn't fail. 

 

However, the knot the OP showed might work better for drop shotting. I'll probably never know as I stick with what works for me......the Palomar....

[FryDog62]

8 hours ago, Catt said:

 

Operator error!

 

Regardless of knot letting the lines cross each other will result in break-offs.

 

Even in the above picture at no time does the line cross itself.

Interesting, I watched a couple other videos that both said to use the drop-shot knot because the Palomar knot can dig into itself... 

 

So help me here... I haven’t had that problem myself... but if it can happen - at what point in tying the Palomar do you need to be sure you don’t cross lines?  Maybe I just learned it the right way (lucky me ) but it might be good to know what to avoid...

[Catt]

@FryDog62 if you look at the illustration above at #1 &#2 where the line makes a "loop".

 

If at anytime you let the lines cross (twist) over each other the line on top will cut the line below it.

 

Keeping both lines parallel is key to any knot.

[FryDog62]

1 hour ago, Catt said:

@FryDog62 if you look at the illustration above at #1 &#2 where the line makes a "loop".

 

If at anytime you let the lines cross (twist) over each other the line on top will cut the line below it.

 

Keeping both lines parallel is key to any knot.

Yes, but was wondering where the lines might cross on a Palomar...

[Catt]

2 hours ago, FryDog62 said:

Yes, but was wondering where the lines might cross on a Palomar...

 

When you make the "loop" in illustration #1 & then make the overhand knot is when the line can cross.

[5/0]

I use the Palomar when setting up D/S at home. On the water I’ve gone to using the uni knot above the drop shot hook because I have the VMC spinshot hooks. The knot below the hook could be any knot you choose.

[Fishaholic7lbs]

Y’all behind times need to get the vmc drop shot hooks that have the swivel through the eye.. tie any knot you want on it attach a leader with a weight and get on em.. line doesn’t twist As bad neither

Edited October 8, 2019 by Fishaholic7lbs
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[livin2fish]

Sorry to dig up this old thread, but recently had a fail with this knot.  I like the knot but, would suggest that it not be used with thin braid line, unless a "closed" eye hook is used.  Had a fish on (using 15 lb. braid), and then the fish was off.  Reeled in the line.  The fish and the hook were gone, but the line was not broken since the drop shot weight was still on the end of the line.   

[CrankFate]

On 10/5/2019 at 12:02 AM, WRB said:

If you are a salt water fisherman you recognize the knot as a dropper loop knot.

Tom

Yes. Never had one fail that I could ever remember. I can hear my father saying, It’s not the knot, the fish aren’t gonna break your line unless they’re big.