Braid to fluoro questions

[Josh Gann]

Ok y'all so i resisted braid to fluoro until recently due to the extra knot, but i finally gave it a shot an love it, EXCEPT I AM LOSING FISH BADLY!!!! Is there anything y'all do differently hookset wise. Been using the technique the past 3 trips an have lost 2-3 fish every trip, actually I don't think I've landed one using braid to fluoro at all yet. I LOVE the casting distance and sensitivity , but if I can't get fish in the boat.....you know.

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Unless you are running a leader long enough to be functionally fishing with straight fluoro, there is going to be no difference in the way it handles or fishes. A couple of feet of fluoro or mono isn't going to make a difference in hooksetting or fish fighting. Have you changed rods or a are fishing different bait or hook? cause that will make a difference.

[Tennessee Boy]

Did you switched from straight fluoro to braid fluoro leader?  

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2 minutes ago, Tennessee Boy said:

Did you switched from straight fluoro to braid fluoro leader?  

Good question. I read it as he was going from straight braid to braid/leader. If going from straight fluoro or mono to braid, that may cause one to loose some fish, if the equipment and mechanics stay the same. 

[rtwvumtneer6]

Is this on spinning or casting gear?  

 

Big difference between reeling into a fish on light spinning tackle or laying the wood to them if your flippin' heavy cover.

 

If it's spinning tackle, and a lighter wire hook, all you really need to do is reel into the fish and lift.  I have to watch myself that I don't jerk too hard.  Also want to make sure your drag is set appropriately.

 

If it's heavy gear, you can actually tear a hole in the fish, making it easier for the hook to come back out.  My preference in an EWG superline hook over a straight shank flippin' hook in that situation.  I believe once they are hooked the bend in the EWG keeps them pinned better.  This is a big area of debate, as many other people will argue better hook ups with a straight shank.

 

I also had trouble with a rod that was too stiff.  When I got bit, the rod wouldn't load, the braid didn't stretch and I was pulling it away from them rather than sticking them.

 

Could be lots of factors that you can play with, but I run braid to fluoro on all my spinning gear and I also use it most of the time I am pitching Texas rigs with great success.

[Josh Gann]

2 hours ago, Tennessee Boy said:

Did you switched from straight fluoro to braid fluoro leader?  

Yes

Yes went from straight fluoro to braid to fluoro. I'm talking spinning gear 15 lb braid to 10 lb fluoro , throwing a shaky head. Sorry I shoulda been more specific. And thank y'all for the replies, I've never missed fish and had em get off like this before. First 2 or 3 you think ok bad luck streak, but after 4 or 5 you ain't doin something right 

[jimmyjoe]

2 hours ago, rtwvumtneer6 said:

I also had trouble with a rod that was too stiff.  When I got bit, the rod wouldn't load, the braid didn't stretch and I was pulling it away from them rather than sticking them.

   If they're spitting the hook out in the air, like when they're jumping, then this would be the same problem I had. I went to a soft-tip rod, and the problem disappeared. Soft-tip rods aren't easy to find in spinning gear, but some (some .... not all) walleye rods are great in this department.  I hope you have better luck, 'cause I know how you feel.    jj

[Wizzlebiz]

4 hours ago, Josh Gann said:

Yes

Yes went from straight fluoro to braid to fluoro. I'm talking spinning gear 15 lb braid to 10 lb fluoro , throwing a shaky head. Sorry I shoulda been more specific. And thank y'all for the replies, I've never missed fish and had em get off like this before. First 2 or 3 you think ok bad luck streak, but after 4 or 5 you ain't doin something right 

You might want to go to 20lb braid so the diameter of both lines match up. 

 

When you say you are losing fish are they spitting your hook or is the knot giving way? What kind of knot are you using?

[Fishaholic7lbs]

Hey guys reading the post and was just wondering would it be ok to fish football jigs with a braid to flouro leader I have a shimano citica 200d that is on my frog rod and would like to double it on a football jig rod this winter it has 50lb braid on it would that be to heavy of a braid

[Josh Gann]

11 hours ago, Wizzlebiz said:

You might want to go to 20lb braid so the diameter of both lines match up. 

 

When you say you are losing fish are they spitting your hook or is the knot giving way? What kind of knot are you using?

Alberto knot , and it's doing great. My problem is when I set the hook I'll have the fish on a second or 2 then he's gone. The couple times they've not gotten off almost immediately they still ended up spitting it out

17 hours ago, rtwvumtneer6 said:

Is this on spinning or casting gear?  

 

Big difference between reeling into a fish on light spinning tackle or laying the wood to them if your flippin' heavy cover.

 

If it's spinning tackle, and a lighter wire hook, all you really need to do is reel into the fish and lift.  I have to watch myself that I don't jerk too hard.  Also want to make sure your drag is set appropriately.

 

If it's heavy gear, you can actually tear a hole in the fish, making it easier for the hook to come back out.  My preference in an EWG superline hook over a straight shank flippin' hook in that situation.  I believe once they are hooked the bend in the EWG keeps them pinned better.  This is a big area of debate, as many other people will argue better hook ups with a straight shank.

 

I also had trouble with a rod that was too stiff.  When I got bit, the rod wouldn't load, the braid didn't stretch and I was pulling it away from them rather than sticking them.

 

Could be lots of factors that you can play with, but I run braid to fluoro on all my spinning gear and I also use it most of the time I am pitching Texas rigs with great success.

Spinning gear. Thank you I will try just reeling into them an lifting up

[Bird]

Rod to short ?

Action to heavy ?

Perhaps it's sunfish being a nag.

[Josh Gann]

19 minutes ago, Bird said:

Rod to short ?

Action to heavy ?

Perhaps it's sunfish being a nag.

7' mh,  same as I've always used on shakyhead, and I had a really good success rate with fluoro and copoly , rarely ever lost one. An definitely not sunfish as I've felt them all an seen a couple.

[boostr]

I use a Medium Fast spinning rod w/ 20# braid to 10# or 8# flouro leader with no issues. Might want to switch to a lighter rod. I Use mine for Neds, Shakeys, Neko and Wacky. You just need to pop the tip to set the hook.

[Josh Gann]

On 9/30/2019 at 2:13 PM, boostr said:

I use a Medium Fast spinning rod w/ 20# braid to 10# or 8# flouro leader with no issues. Might want to switch to a lighter rod. I Use mine for Neds, Shakeys, Neko and Wacky. You just need to pop the tip to set the hook.

I may need to drop to medium action , but i think the "just need to pop the tip to set the hook" has been my problem . I been setting the hook to hard 

[APK62]

If you are losing fish with FC to Braid, why not go back to using straight braid?

[Shimano_1]

I've used braid to fluoro for years and never had an issue with med or med light rods with finesse applications 

[CrankFate]

Rod is too stiff.

[Jason Penn]

try to not set the hook, just tighten up and pull into it. what's probably happening is you're actually ripping a hole in their mouth. if you'll pull into it, the hook will just pierce