Long casts

[new2BC4bass]

5 hours ago, Todd2 said:

https://www.bassresource.com/bass-fishing-forums/topic/152445-line-stretch-test-18-typesbrands/

 

I ran across this a while back. It's with an 8 lb weight, which I'm pretty sure is way more than would be needed to penetrate a hook, but it does give you a good comparison of line stretch. Trilene XT is high on the list. 

Wow.  Missed that.  Thanks.  Proves how bad the 'net' is about keeping falsehoods going, i.e. fluorocarbon is low stretch compared to mono and co-polymer lines.  I seldom use fluoro.  The one time I had to break fluoro it stretched like a rubber band before breaking.  Also frayed for several feet requiring more to be cut off.

[cyclops2]

I can give the good & not good of 4 # braided & 4# mono when trolling a 1.5" Rapala floater 150' to 200' of line out. Mid day spooky fish.   Braid & the fish always set the hook & jiggle the rod tip to signal fish on.

Mono is hopeless. The fish MAY  MAY cause a tip twitch. But by the time  I pick up & pull to set the hook ?  Fish off. Small Mouths are great at a fast tip bend . Then most are off in a couple of maximum cranks & yank.

[frogflogger]

11 hours ago, cyclops2 said:

I can give the good & not good of 4 # braided & 4# mono when trolling a 1.5" Rapala floater 150' to 200' of line out. Mid day spooky fish.   Braid & the fish always set the hook & jiggle the rod tip to signal fish on.

Mono is hopeless. The fish MAY  MAY cause a tip twitch. But by the time  I pick up & pull to set the hook ?  Fish off. Small Mouths are great at a fast tip bend . Then most are off in a couple of maximum cranks & yank.

Need better hooks for mono?

 

[JediAmoeba]

On 7/18/2019 at 7:06 AM, N Florida Mike said:

One thing I do with a long range fish is quickly troll toward the strike to close the distance before setting the hook. I use mono because it floats and I can see the “ twitch “ when they bite the soft plastics I use the most .But with mono , there’s stretch , so it is much harder to get a good long distance hookset and keep them hooked. I like some stretch, because for my style of fishing The fish don’t come off much once they are hooked. ( Not including long distance strikes) So as soon as I detect a strike on a long distance fish , I close the distance a little and pop him. 

Fluoro stretches more than Mono really and I never really knew that.  I have always used braid with 6 or 8 foot leaders though so it's never been an issue for me 

[N Florida Mike]

I just don’t like fluoro because it doesn’t float. There is more drag when you set the hook from the water your hauling and I like seeing the”twitch” when a bass takes a bait with floating line.

[WRB]

The line strecth test referenced took a lot of effort but founded on false pretense using Ultimate line strength not yield strength properties of the line. Why anyone would go through that much effort when all that is needed is to look up the material properties to predict the results.

Hanging weight that equals line strength wasn't helpful, all it shows is line diameter* equals line strength for the same polymer materials; pounds per square inch (psi) larger diameter has greater area. Yield strength is the point of force where material start to move or yield in % of streching for line. With Nylon, polyester, polyurethane! fluorocarbon or blends of those polymers yeild strength of net resins is about 33% of ultimate strength where it breaks. 

Lif the test used a weight of 3 lbs for 8 lb test line you wouldn't see measureable stretch until force is applied over long time period, all polymers cold flow time over pressure.

3 lbs is a high force for 8 lb fishing because it's the limit a medium power fishing rod can apply. If you usec4 lb weight or 50% of the line strength you will see a small % of stretch and at 6 lbs or 75% of line strength yield will occur with measurable line stretch.

Generally 3 lbs lifting force is max for medium rod, 4 pounds Medium heavy, 5 lbs heavy, 6 lbs X heavy with standards bass rods, specially rods like flipping and swimbaits have higher lifting force between 6 lbs to 8 lbs. nobody uses 8 lb line on heavy or Xheavy rods and the rod and reel apples the force on the line as the fish pulls.

I will say this 1 more time; you feel line drag cutting through the water not line stretching.

Back to long cast. You must reel in all the slack line between you and the bass before setting the hook using the rod regardless of the line being used.

Tom

* line diameter is published on the line spool and TW list it.

PS, pardon my long rant, the misunderstanding of line stretch gets to me.

 

 

 

 

[cyclops2]

High wind & waves ?   

 

Very low hook up rates.  Been there a lot. VERY few Small Mouth Bass hook ups.

[WRB]

45 minutes ago, cyclops2 said:

High wind & waves ?   

 

Very low hook up rates.  Been there a lot. VERY few Small Mouth Bass hook ups.

Define high wind and waves.

Wind is common for most bass lakes with frontal systems comming and going. Sustained wind over 15 mph with gusts to 25 mph are common wherecI fish. Waves with white caps over 12" to 18" are also common and come with wind.

It's easier to make long cast down wind, remember the bass will be facing into the wave current and prefer bait and lures in front of them and swimming toward them, not comming from behind. If the bass are not willing to chase a lure moving away from them you miss that fish.

Casting into wind is difficult but higher strike percentage because the see it coming and doesn't Spook like it can coming from behind. 

What to do making long cast in the wind? Cast paralell or sideways to the wind at various angles. When you learn to compensate for windage your long cast are fairly accurate and bass can see to both sides, upwards and in front very well.

Keeping the rod tip down reduces line bow, increases strike detection and in position to make a quick reel hook set.

Tom

[frogflogger]

Long casts make for long retrieves which means my lure is in the water longer and the fish have more time to target it - I've proven it to my satisfaction frog fishing and swimbait tossing.