ntagger57 Posted July 16, 2019 Posted July 16, 2019 I'm petty sure a fall, head first could hurt the fish and if that's the case with yours then I suggest you get better at handling your bass, like Tom said, Respect the game. It shows good sportsmanship. SOrry I just had to put this out...... So, if fishes could talk you'd probably hear yours squealing out, "Whhhy meeeeeeeee" hahaha
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted July 16, 2019 Global Moderator Posted July 16, 2019 The only way to know for sure is to ask the fish 2
Super User Sam Posted July 16, 2019 Super User Posted July 16, 2019 It is my understanding that fish do not feel pain. So if you drop one it will not feel pain as we feel pain. However, you can crack or break a rib or injure their internal organs, depending on the size of the fish, how far it drops, and what it hits when it hits bottom. I don't think you need to be concerned about dropping a bass now and then. What you need to be concerned with is removing the protective slime on their scales. That is worse than dropping a bass and can lead to mortality. 1
Super User WRB Posted July 16, 2019 Super User Posted July 16, 2019 2 hours ago, J Francho said: I'll do you one further, if you accidentally scuff one up really good, you can put a cup of Kosher salt in your livewell, set it to recirc, and let it stay there for 10 minutes, then let them go. Cull tags help with gentle removal. The Kosher salt in that percentage is safe for the fish, and will stimulate slime coat production, and ward off parasites. Make sure you have 15 gallons of water in the livewell Shure Life Please Release Me or Catch and Release is safe with aeration systems, not sure salt. Tom
Glaucus Posted July 16, 2019 Posted July 16, 2019 1 hour ago, ntagger57 said: I'm petty sure a fall, head first could hurt the fish and if that's the case with yours then I suggest you get better at handling your bass, like Tom said, Respect the game. It shows good sportsmanship. SOrry I just had to put this out...... So, if fishes could talk you'd probably hear yours squealing out, "Whhhy meeeeeeeee" hahaha Nobody drops fish on purpose. Anyone who has spent a little time on the water has dropped fish at some point. Sometimes it happens. Hooks fall out, big fish squirm suddenly and your wrist can't compensate right away, they're slippery, etc. 2
Super User soflabasser Posted July 16, 2019 Super User Posted July 16, 2019 This is the silliest thread I have read here in a long time. To answer the question yes it hurts a fish to be dropped but so does hooking it in the mouth which is how most people catch bass. Just be careful when handling bass and it will be rare for you to drop one. Quickly release the bass or keep it to eat if it is legal size. 3 1
CrankFate Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 Any animal with a central nervous system feels pain. I’m not a tree hugger at all, but anything smart enough to have fear definitely has pain. But physics matters, too. If we fell off of a skyscraper, we’d die and it would be painful. But if we throw an ant or a beetle off of a skyscraper it would probably survive and not be in pain. When you drop a fish the size of a bass, it’s probably not going to get hurt because of the shape of its body and the physics of its size and weight.
Super User J Francho Posted July 17, 2019 Super User Posted July 17, 2019 14 hours ago, WRB said: Make sure you have 15 gallons of water in the livewell Shure Life Please Release Me or Catch and Release is safe with aeration systems, not sure salt. Tom Hasn't caused a problem in 20 years. It's a small amount of salt. We in fact use it in freshwater aquariums all the time as well. Please release me is an excellent product that I've used for years for keeping fish for tournament weight in. There's probably a small amount of salt (electrolyte) in the Sure Life product. What I suggested is called a salt dip. Two different things.
Super User Sam Posted July 17, 2019 Super User Posted July 17, 2019 13 hours ago, soflabasser said: This is the silliest thread I have read here in a long time. To answer the question yes it hurts a fish to be dropped but so does hooking it in the mouth which is how most people catch bass. Just be careful when handling bass and it will be rare for you to drop one. Quickly release the bass or keep it to eat if it is legal size. In Catt's favorite book, Knowing Bass The Scientific Approach to Catching more Fish by Dr. Keith Jones of Berkley, Dr. Jones discuss the subject of bass feeling pain. Here is a recap of what Dr. Jones wrote about bass feeling pain. And yes, some of this is "painful" to read as it is science and not regular information that we discuss among our discussions. Enjoy and take it or leave it. "What we know is that human pain sensation is a product of the cerebral neocortex with its millions of nerves cells, humans have considerable range in adjusting their sensations. Pain perception is a function of the brain. Pain as we know it is the product of our sophisticated mind. So if humans feel pain why shouldn't fish? After all, bass show many of the same behavioral reactions to injurious stimuli as we do so doesn't that mean bass also feel pain? Not necessarily. Fish and humans have spinal free nerve endings that terminate all throughout their skin. These free nerve endings are known to be very sensitive to touch and temperature. They also have been implicated in detecting certain chemical irritants like acids. (Reason #1 to use scent) These nerve endings feed impulses into the spinal cord then up the cord through the lower brain into the area with our thalamus. The similarity between human and fish ends here. Fish skin contains only free nerve endings and their sensory modalities such as touch, temperature, and injurious stimuli appears to be minimal. Without these specializations fish are greatly limited in their ability to discern different sensations. Of course, this is still unclear in the scientific world and we will probably never figure it out. The second major difference between pain perception in bass and humans lies in the brain connections. In humans, this is accomplished in our large cerebral neocortex. But fish do not have a neocortex nor anything equivalent to it. Without a neocortex, fish cannot mentally construct complex feelings of pain like humans do. Fish cannot possibly feel pain like we feel pain. So if fish don't feel our kind of pain, can we conclude that they feel no pain at all? Not entirely. The possibility remains that fish possess alternative brain structures for pain generation. So all we can deduce is the possibility that bass and other fish feel pain. But not enough scientific research has been accomplished to make a firm call either way. Dr. Bob Reinert of the University of Georgia suggests fish feel a dull discomfort similar to what we feel under local anesthesia. And that is his guess. So no one actually knows if fish actually feel pain vs. feeling pressure. What is known is that fish do not have a neocortex so their pain level should be extremely low." Interesting discussion that we all can take sides and debate. I vote for the "feeling pressure" theory. What is your vote? do not have a 2
Bass Junke Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 If you could sneak up on a bass and touch it on its side, I think it would know you touched it, so the bass felt it. When a bass is hooked in that hard plastic/ cartilage area of its mouth, it doesn't feel a thing. I have no idea what I am talking about, just looking at it logically. 1
Super User Choporoz Posted July 17, 2019 Super User Posted July 17, 2019 On 7/15/2019 at 9:23 PM, Cam R said: Does it hurt a fish when you drop it When you’re unhooking a fish and it falls or you accidentally drop it, will it get injured in anyway? Why? Would any answer change your behavior? Are you egregiously careless or intentionally dropping fish now? A little care and respect should be all you need. Knowledge about good handling procedures will go a long ways. I agree with @soflabasser and @J Francho. Pain and injury are different...and unless you are trending well into animal rights territory, just try not to drop them and don't worry further 1
Super User J Francho Posted July 17, 2019 Super User Posted July 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Bass Junke said: If you could sneak up on a bass and touch it on its side, I think it would know you touched it, so the bass felt it. When a bass is hooked in that hard plastic/ cartilage area of its mouth, it doesn't feel a thing. I have no idea what I am talking about, just looking at it logically. It detected, or felt both, and reacted. It didn't think, that dude touched me, I have to swim away. They aren't like, that hook hurts, swim away. It's far more basic resonse than that. It's a foreign sensory input their brain and nervous system reacted to. If they couldn't feel the hook, they wouldn't react, and therefore there would be no fight.
Super User Dwight Hottle Posted July 17, 2019 Super User Posted July 17, 2019 18 hours ago, TnRiver46 said: The only way to know for sure is to ask the fish But you're in trouble if you hear him answer. 1
Super User J Francho Posted July 17, 2019 Super User Posted July 17, 2019 Just now, Dwight Hottle said: But you're in trouble if you hear him answer. Seek professional help at that point. 1
Bass Junke Posted July 17, 2019 Posted July 17, 2019 31 minutes ago, J Francho said: It detected, or felt both, and reacted. It didn't think, that dude touched me, I have to swim away. They aren't like, that hook hurts, swim away. It's far more basic resonse than that. It's a foreign sensory input their brain and nervous system reacted to. If they couldn't feel the hook, they wouldn't react, and therefore there would be no fight. I guess what I meant by doesn't feel a thing was... If I had a hook in my mouth and somebody was pulling on it, my lips have nerve endings, I am going to be swimming/running my butt as fast as I can to get to whomever is tugging in hopes of stopping the pain. I guess a fish maybe doesn't feel the hook in it's lip as much as it feels the tug of it's skin getting pulled tight.
Super User J Francho Posted July 17, 2019 Super User Posted July 17, 2019 You're probably right about less nerve endings, but pulling a hooked fish and touching the fish illicit the same basic fight or flight response, because they feel something, and try to get away.
Super User Choporoz Posted July 17, 2019 Super User Posted July 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, J Francho said: ...and touching the fish illicit .... ROFL......."Ok, Mr. Bass, point on this fish doll where the bad fisherman touched you" 5
Super User Sam Posted July 17, 2019 Super User Posted July 17, 2019 52 minutes ago, J Francho said: You're probably right about less nerve endings, but pulling a hooked fish and touching the fish illicit the same basic fight or flight response, because they feel something, and try to get away. They feel pressure and react.
Super User WRB Posted July 17, 2019 Super User Posted July 17, 2019 Iconelli talks to bass and knows what they are telling him, Listen to the bass, he makes that claim nearly every chance he gets. Putting bass in a livewell stresses them far more harm then dropping accidentally. The survival rate for bass caught and put into a livewell is documented and varies depending on water temps and DO levels. The average is around 3% post mortality rate for bass held in livewells and released several hours later. I know of no study regarding dropping bass then releasing it regarding mortality rates. Bass sometimes jump onto the bank accidentally chasing prey and flip themselves back into the water. If you drop the bass into a deep fryer they don't survive. Tom 1
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted July 17, 2019 Global Moderator Posted July 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, WRB said: If you drop the bass into a deep fryer they don't survive. Tom Ah yes but it does prolong my survival 1
Super User Deleted account Posted July 17, 2019 Super User Posted July 17, 2019 23 hours ago, J Francho said: put a cup of Kosher salt in your livewell, set it to recirc, and let it stay there for 10 minutes... I've heard of gefilte fish and pickled herring, but never pickled bass, pass the Kosher dills... 1
Super User J Francho Posted July 17, 2019 Super User Posted July 17, 2019 Season with garlic and dill to taste. 1
AlTheFisherman313 Posted July 18, 2019 Posted July 18, 2019 16 hours ago, J Francho said: Seek professional help at that point. Wait..... fish can’t talk? i hope my insurance is gonna cover this. Probably have a slew of mental issues ? 1
BadContrakt Posted July 18, 2019 Posted July 18, 2019 Someone up above me mentioned that this thread is silly... Yeah.. Kinda. What I think is silly is that some people still believe fish don't feel pain. You must not fish much to believe that.
Super User J Francho Posted July 18, 2019 Super User Posted July 18, 2019 1 hour ago, BadContrakt said: What I think is silly is that some people still believe fish don't feel pain. Science is silly? 1
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