Mike Long

[Darren.]

58 minutes ago, deaknh03 said:

I was thinking the same thing. Hes big into photography these days, his fishing days are in the past. 

Sadly so. Last I looked him up he was doing car stereo stuff.

[The Maestro]

1 hour ago, BassNJake said:

With the higher quality electronics we have now, this could extend well past the spawn.

 

I have sat over a schools of deep bass and smashed them by snapping a spoon.

Some do get hooked in the side when doing this.

 

Chris Zaldain was just using this technique at Guntersville last week.

 

The difference is that you can't snag deep bass intentionally. 

[J Francho]

17 minutes ago, The Maestro said:

The difference is that you can't snag deep bass intentionally. 

I think his point was that someone could intentionally snag fish this way.  I can see my spoon, and the fish's proximity on even a simple 2D sonor.  Imagine what you might be able to do with some of the latest tech.

[The Maestro]

2 hours ago, J Francho said:

I think his point was that someone could intentionally snag fish this way.  I can see my spoon, and the fish's proximity on even a simple 2D sonor.  Imagine what you might be able to do with some of the latest tech.

It's possible I guess. I still say it would be extremely difficult to do with sonar. The fish might look like it's right below you on the screen but in reality it could be anywhere in the cone. Maybe slightly more possible if you were using an underwater camera. And then how desperate to catch a bass would a guy have to be to resort to trying this? I suppose a big money tournament might be enough motivation for some.

[anderb54]

Might have to snag... I mean, buy, one of his rods when they go on clearance.

[J Francho]

28 minutes ago, The Maestro said:

It's possible I guess. I still say it would be extremely difficult to do with sonar. The fish might look like it's right below you on the screen but in reality it could be anywhere in the cone. Maybe slightly more possible if you were using an underwater camera. And then how desperate to catch a bass would a guy have to be to resort to trying this? I suppose a big money tournament might be enough motivation for some.

Dude, I literally watch bass approach my drop shot bait, and take it on 2D.  With new 3D, 360, Live Vision, Panoptix and what not, it's totally do-able.

[The Maestro]

9 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Dude, I literally watch bass approach my drop shot bait, and take it on 2D.  With new 3D, 360, Live Vision, Panoptix and what not, it's totally do-able.

When you're watching a fish approach your bait on the screen there's no way of knowing from which direction it came. That's the difference between a fish (that appears to be directly under the boat) coming over to check out your bait and the precision you would need to put a hook basically right beside a fish (without spooking it) and snagging it. Short of using your eyes I'm going to say this would be approaching near impossibility to do with any type of sonar because they all work the same and the deeper the water the bigger the footprint of the solar beam/cone 

[J Francho]

You realize he used a weighted treble hook on a drop shot rig.  How is it any different than what I'm describing?  Never mind, don't answer that.  It's totally impossible.  What was I thinking. ?

[TnRiver46]

13 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Dude, I literally watch bass approach my drop shot bait, and take it on 2D.  With new 3D, 360, Live Vision, Panoptix and what not, it's totally do-able.

That's beyond Mike Long's skill set though 

[The Maestro]

8 minutes ago, J Francho said:

You realize he used a weighted treble hook on a drop shot rig.  How is it any different than what I'm describing?  Never mind, don't answer that.  It's totally impossible.  What was I thinking. ?

Was he using his eyes or his electronics to do this? From what I can tell he was targeting fish he could actually see with his eyes as he was looking into the water and not at a screen. If you can't understand that there's a massive difference between these two methods than I don't know what to tell you. Maybe we have a different understanding of the principles behind how sonar actually works and why what you see on your (2D) screen isn't an exact representation of the 3D world underwater.

[WRB]

10 minutes ago, TnRiver46 said:

That's beyond Mike Long's skill set though 

The ML Snagger Spl 9" flutter spoon with 5 trebles at your poacher shop soon.

Tom

[12poundbass]

Treble hooks are now sold out at Tackle Warehouse and $15 apiece wherever you can find them! 

[J Francho]

27 minutes ago, The Maestro said:

Was he using his eyes or his electronics to do this? From what I can tell he was targeting fish he could actually see with his eyes as he was looking into the water and not at a screen. If you can't understand that there's a massive difference between these two methods than I don't know what to tell you. Maybe we have a different understanding of the principles behind how sonar actually works and why what you see on your (2D) screen isn't an exact representation of the 3D world underwater.

I know how sonar works.  Thanks.  I use it all the time to catch smallies in 30ish feet of water.  It's not unreasonable that someone might try, and actually succeed.  Here's a good diagram.  The cones aren't huge as you think.  Never mind forward looking Panoptix.

 

[The Maestro]

1 minute ago, J Francho said:

I know how sonar works.  Thanks.  I use it all the time to catch smallies in 30ish feet of water.  It's not unreasonable that someone might try, and actually succeed.  Here's a good diagram.  The cones aren't huge as you think.  Never mind forward looking Panoptix.

 

Cool. If you find proof of someone pulling this off, I'd love to see it.

[J Francho]

Dude, we were speculating as to how someone MIGHT try it.  Then you come along and ask for proof.  Really?  I'm dropping it and bringing it back ML discussion.  So you think snagging records is cool or not?

[The Maestro]

3 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Dude, we were speculating as to how someone MIGHT try it.  Then you come along and ask for proof.  Really?  I'm dropping it and bringing it back ML discussion.  So you think snagging records is cool or not?

Show me where I said snagging fish is ok?

[J Francho]

So that would be a no.  Cool.  Conversating has begun, and we agree on the snagging thing.

[WRB]

The plane has taken off!

Everything displayed on your sonar screen is history, not real time when you boat is moving. Makes it a lot easier to locate fish/bait but your not sitting on top of the targets unless looking at the right edge of the real time returns. Bass, especially big bass are not stationary like catfish they move...hopefully towards your lure!

That's a really good illustration of sonar signal shape pattern and helps to understand how the newer sonar works.

Tom

 

[The Maestro]

9 minutes ago, WRB said:

The plane has taken off!

Everything displayed on your sonar screen is history, not real time when you boat is moving. Makes it a lot easier to locate fish/bait but your not sitting on top of the targets unless looking at the right edge of the real time returns. Bass, especially big bass are not stationary like catfish they move...hopefully towards your lure!

That's a really good illustration of sonar signal shape pattern and helps to understand how the newer sonar works.

Tom

 

Even the real-time returns don't necessarily mean the fish is DIRECTLY under you. It only means the fish is SOMEWHERE within the footprint of the sonar's beam/cone and the deeper you go the bigger that footprint gets.

[Choporoz]

and you thought you got the wheel out of the ditch, @J Francho...lol

[Team9nine]

And now for something completely different...

 

[J Francho]

2 minutes ago, Choporoz said:

and you thought you got the wheel out of the ditch, @J Francho...lol

It doesn't really matter, we're splitting hairs over a couple of feet.  There's even measurements on the screen in live time.  It isn't nearly as blind snagging as you'd think.  I see what they're saying, but someone could easily use the tech to use a cast net if they wanted.  The over arching theme is that his cheating evolved over time.  As safeguards were put in place, he figured out other ways to cheat.

[Glaucus]

[J Francho]

That dude really loves popcorn.

[The Maestro]

2 minutes ago, Glaucus said:

I'm borrowing this.