Shimano Cast Control and Overrun

[bunz559]

I'm not sure what happened and need some insight on what may be causing this. Recently 2 of my Chronarch 51e started having excessive over run when adjusting to lure weights. If I get it to fall at a good rate, as soon as it hits the ground, it over runs. I have to literally have it falling at a rate where I need to shake the rod tip to get the bait moving. Other than that, then I have to tighten it to where it doesn't drop at all. 

 

I tried casting both reels, and while they seem to cast fine, there is definitely an adverse affect on casting distance with the cast control so tight. If I loosen it, it does overrun but I can manage to minimize it by thumbing the spool. For both reels, I have tried 2 and 3 internal brakes on with the expected results. 

 

Any advise as to parts need replacing, tuning, cleaning, or things to check would be greatly appreciated. 

 

 

[Heartland]

I don't see the problem

 

[dodgeguy]

You don't stop the spool with your thumb before it hits the water ? I set my reels loose and use more centrifugal or magnetic brake as needed.use your thumb to stop the spool.

[kickerfish1]

Pretty sure that you are describing is the cast control cap spacer. So if you look at your cast control cap or tension knob as some call it, you will notice that when you unscrew it there are 2 small flat pieces that sits inside of it. It is likely worn in some fassion if they are both there. The remedy is you can try turning the spacer over and see if that solves it. Try that first. If that fails you likely need a new one. Also make sure you have both of them that are in the links below. If one or both is missing that is your likely cause. By replacing it, you will be able to adjust the tension so the bait can fall at a faster pace, light speed, or what you are looking for a nice slow gradual fall. Looks like a $4 part and $1.29 a part. If you have several from this reel platform and you think you are going to hang onto them for a while, maybe grab an extra while you are at it. You can see the schematic in the link. I am not sure which parts are worn without looking at them but it may be best to buy one of each.

 

https://www.ereplacementparts.com/cast-control-spacer-p-1544195.html

 

https://www.ereplacementparts.com/spool-tension-spacer-p-1540737.html

[Heartland]

If you adjust your reel so your bait has a fast fall, you are going to experience some spool overrun if you don't put your thumb on the spool.  They don't make parts that prevent this, it is normal operation.    Now if you can no longer adjust your spool to the fall rate you desire, you may need to change the spacers mentioned above as they do wear over time.  

[dodgeguy]

They wear way worse when people tighten the snot out of them and never oil them.

14 minutes ago, Heartland said:

If you adjust your reel so your bait has a fast fall, you are going to experience some spool overrun if you don't put your thumb on the spool

Not if you have a Lew's Tournament Pro with externally adjustable centrifugal brake. I can set it to be thumb free except at end of cast when bait hits water even with a totally loose cast control. It actually casts further that way.

[CountryboyinDC]

53 minutes ago, kickerfish1 said:

Pretty sure that you are describing is the cast control cap spacer. So if you look at your cast control cap or tension knob as some call it, you will notice that when you unscrew it there are 2 small flat pieces that sits inside of it. It is likely worn in some fassion if they are both there. The remedy is you can try turning the spacer over and see if that solves it. Try that first. If that fails you likely need a new one. Also make sure you have both of them that are in the links below. If one or both is missing that is your likely cause. By replacing it, you will be able to adjust the tension so the bait can fall at a faster pace, light speed, or what you are looking for a nice slow gradual fall. Looks like a $4 part and $1.29 a part. If you have several from this reel platform and you think you are going to hang onto them for a while, maybe grab an extra while you are at it. You can see the schematic in the link. I am not sure which parts are worn without looking at them but it may be best to buy one of each.

 

https://www.ereplacementparts.com/cast-control-spacer-p-1544195.html

 

https://www.ereplacementparts.com/spool-tension-spacer-p-1540737.html

This would be a good place to start IMO.  I once forgot to put the spool tension spacer on my Curado 70 (I think they're similar), and it behaved as you describe.  Either way tight or hopelessly loose.

[bunz559]

Thanks for the input folks. Just to be clear, you can definitely set reels to be thumb free while still maintaining a relatively far and birds nest free cast. I will most definitely check those spacers. Really appreciate everyone's response. 

[Largies4Life]

I have a brand new Chronarch MGL and I still haven't gotten mine dialed in yet. I haven't messed around with it enough to say that it's not user error. My main problem is that in the middle of the cast, as the bait is about half way in the air, my line acts like it's about to get into a huge birds nest, but then it all goes away by the time the lure hits the water, usually. I've had two really bad birds nests with it and that was casting into the wind. This reel just seems so hard to dial in compared to my Daiwa's that I have.

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

16 hours ago, bunz559 said:

I'm not sure what happened and need some insight on what may be causing this. Recently 2 of my Chronarch 51e started having excessive over run when adjusting to lure weights. If I get it to fall at a good rate, as soon as it hits the ground, it over runs. I have to literally have it falling at a rate where I need to shake the rod tip to get the bait moving. Other than that, then I have to tighten it to where it doesn't drop at all. 

 

I tried casting both reels, and while they seem to cast fine, there is definitely an adverse affect on casting distance with the cast control so tight. If I loosen it, it does overrun but I can manage to minimize it by thumbing the spool. For both reels, I have tried 2 and 3 internal brakes on with the expected results. 

 

Any advise as to parts need replacing, tuning, cleaning, or things to check would be greatly appreciated. 

 

 

PERFECT

 

Leave it loose not excessively but loose

[J Francho]

Your reel is working fine.  You have to thumb the spool as the lure hits the water.  This is basic baitcast reel operation. 

[TOXIC]

Unless it's windy and I plan on casting into the wind most all of my baitcasters are in freespool.  You just need to educate your thumb a little more.  

[bunz559]

I've been using baitcasters for awhile folks. I'm no pro, but I know the concept of thumbing the spool. But when I say excessive, it is excessive. LOL! I've had these reels for 5-7 years now with tons and tons of use. It just seems that more recently they haven't been performing as usual. 

 

But thank you all for the inputs, I will check the parts listed above. Shimano sells them pretty cheaply.  

[bunz559]

BTW, since we're on topic about the 51e, when reassembling the reel, how tight do I tighten the star drag nut? Is it hand tight? Or should I use the star drag to tighten it one or two turns? 

[TOXIC]

8 minutes ago, bunz559 said:

I've been using baitcasters for awhile folks. I'm no pro, but I know the concept of thumbing the spool. But when I say excessive, it is excessive. LOL! I've had these reels for 5-7 years now with tons and tons of use. It just seems that more recently they haven't been performing as usual. 

 

But thank you all for the inputs, I will check the parts listed above. Shimano sells them pretty cheaply.  

Your spool can't spin any faster than when in freespool with -0- brakes.  There's nothing the spool itself can do to cause an over run.  Even if it were hanging up and releasing when casting (cast control malfunction), that would not cause an over run.  Not knocking your ability at all just saying you might need to look at other factors like different line or lures. Don't want you buying parts if that's not the problem. 

[Shimano_1]

I've used baitcasters for 30 years and I usually set up these newer reels to where I dont need to thumb them much if any other than when they're hitting the water. I agree with the above post about it probably being the little spacer in the cast control cap. I usually use the drag star to snug the nut up a little past finger tight.  Essentially u just need to make sure its tight enough to let the handle seat properly when u put it all back together 

[dodgeguy]

10 hours ago, Largies4Life said:

I have a brand new Chronarch MGL and I still haven't gotten mine dialed in yet. I haven't messed around with it enough to say that it's not user error. My main problem is that in the middle of the cast, as the bait is about half way in the air, my line acts like it's about to get into a huge birds nest, but then it all goes away by the time the lure hits the water, usually. I've had two really bad birds nests with it and that was casting into the wind. This reel just seems so hard to dial in compared to my Daiwa's that I have.

You need more centrifugal brake.

[CrankFate]

Don’t let it hit the ground. Let it go fast enough that you don’t nest up on the cast, but still get enough distance. And turn on the centrifugal brakes. There’s no point in hitting the ground, because you will stop the spool with your thumb when you hit the water, anyway. I know some people say they don’t even have to stop the spool when they hit water, but that doesn’t matter if your setup can’t do that. Stop it when it hits water, then manually pull line out to have it sink naturally.

[JustJames]

Cmon guys, I know you all are expert on casting gear, but the guys already said he’s been using the reel for 6-7 years and just got this problem recently.

How often you service your reel? Have you ever add oil/ grease into two pads as @kickerfish1mentioned? Both side have this part one under control cap and opposite side under bearing palm side plate. These pad might dry out.

I use star drag to hand tight the nut all the way in, then tightens handle nut to hand tight plus a few more from wrench usually to align the hole for handle cap screw. After install loosen the drag star all the way to see if you can still get loose spool, it not you tighten too much. It too loose or handle can move in/out you don’t tighten enough.

[bunz559]

9 hours ago, JustJames said:

Cmon guys, I know you all are expert on casting gear, but the guys already said he’s been using the reel for 6-7 years and just got this problem recently.

 

That may be a little under estimated. LOL! Sometimes I forget how old I am. Still think I'm in my twenties.