Super User jbsoonerfan Posted May 1, 2019 Super User Posted May 1, 2019 I got to looking at the winnings for the anglers on the BPT so far and was amazed. The following 30 anglers have won a total of $180,000 combined. Jason Lambert, Britt Meyers, Paul Elias, Scott Suggs, Brandon Coulter, Shin Fukae, James Watson, Mike McClelland, Shaw Grigsby, James Elam, Justin Lucas, Brent Chapman, Kevin Van Dam, Dean Rojas, Cliff Pace, Matt Lee, Cody Meyer, John Murray, Marty Robinson, Cliff Crochet, Timmy Horton, Skeet Reese, Gerald Swindle, Kelly Jordan, Russ Lane, Justin Atkins, Tommy Biffle, Fred Roumbanis, Jeff Kriet and Jason Christie. Edwin Evers = $181,600 Quote
Global Moderator 12poundbass Posted May 1, 2019 Global Moderator Posted May 1, 2019 Are you sure those numbers are correct? Two names that stick out as struggling this year KVD and G-Man. No way those two have made a combined $100k this year so far. Quote
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted May 1, 2019 Author Super User Posted May 1, 2019 Just now, 12poundbass said: Are you sure those numbers are correct? Two names that stick out as struggling this year KVD and G-Man. No way those two have made a combined $100k this year so far. That list of 30 anglers have combined to win $180,000 on the BPT this year so far. Quote
Global Moderator 12poundbass Posted May 1, 2019 Global Moderator Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, jbsoonerfan said: That list of 30 anglers have combined to win $180,000 on the BPT this year so far. Yup I’m an idiot! I read that but my slow brain didn’t process the info quick enough. ? Quote
HeyCoach Posted May 2, 2019 Posted May 2, 2019 I’m willing to bet that many of those previously successful anglers that are struggling in the MLF/BPT format will jump back to BASS or FLW. KVD is barely making any money from BPT tournaments, he was making bank in BASS. 1 Quote
billmac Posted May 2, 2019 Posted May 2, 2019 What is it about the MLF format that is hampering these anglers? Perhaps they are just slowing down. Quote
Super User Jrob78 Posted May 2, 2019 Super User Posted May 2, 2019 KVD hasn't made a dime in BPT, missed every cut, I think Christie has too. They are just on a bad run, they will get it together. Edit: I am wrong lol Quote
Super User fishballer06 Posted May 2, 2019 Super User Posted May 2, 2019 4 hours ago, billmac said: What is it about the MLF format that is hampering these anglers? Perhaps they are just slowing down. They went from having to catch the 5 biggest fish they could in 8 hours, to having to catch as many fish as possible in a very short time window. It's a totally different ball game. KVD has made $6k so far this season. 8 guys have made $0... https://majorleaguefishing.com/standing/2019-bass-pro-tour/ For reference, BASS is paying out $2500 to every competitor at every tournament, and $7500 minimum if you make the top 35 out of the 75 boat field. Quote
Super User Jrob78 Posted May 2, 2019 Super User Posted May 2, 2019 1 hour ago, fishballer06 said: They went from having to catch the 5 biggest fish they could in 8 hours, to having to catch as many fish as possible in a very short time window. It's a totally different ball game. KVD has made $6k so far this season. 8 guys have made $0... https://majorleaguefishing.com/standing/2019-bass-pro-tour/ For reference, BASS is paying out $2500 to every competitor at every tournament, and $7500 minimum if you make the top 35 out of the 75 boat field. You're right, I was way off. Quote
Global Moderator 12poundbass Posted May 2, 2019 Global Moderator Posted May 2, 2019 1 hour ago, fishballer06 said: For reference, BASS is paying out $2500 to every competitor at every tournament, and $7500 minimum if you make the top 35 out of the 75 boat field. True, but some of the Elites are still paying to fish the Elites correct? The BPT guys are not, and you still have your travel, gas, lodging, and food expenses no matter which tour. I always wanted to fish professionally at some point but as I’ve matured and really looked at it closely it’s way too much of a gamble and I’m not a gambling man. Even with the no entry fees it seems you’d have to have at least a few top tens to make any money. Quote
Super User fishballer06 Posted May 2, 2019 Super User Posted May 2, 2019 15 minutes ago, 12poundbass said: True, but some of the Elites are still paying to fish the Elites correct? The BPT guys are not, and you still have your travel, gas, lodging, and food expenses no matter which tour. Hard to say what each guys sponsorship covers. As of now, they've fished 4 Elite events. You could have fished all four of those events and never even weighed in a fish and you would have landed yourself $10k so far for the year. Assuming that a majority of these guys have good enough sponsorships that their entry fee's are covered, do you think these guys have spent $10k on fuel and lodging for those 4 tournaments? I consider food a wash because you're buying food whether you're on the road or at home. Quote
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted May 2, 2019 Author Super User Posted May 2, 2019 Are some of these guys sponsors paying the mortgage as well? lol Quote
Global Moderator 12poundbass Posted May 2, 2019 Global Moderator Posted May 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, fishballer06 said: Hard to say what each guys sponsorship covers. As of now, they've fished 4 Elite events. You could have fished all four of those events and never even weighed in a fish and you would have landed yourself $10k so far for the year. Assuming that a majority of these guys have good enough sponsorships that their entry fee's are covered, do you think these guys have spent $10k on fuel and lodging for those 4 tournaments? I consider food a wash because you're buying food whether you're on the road or at home. Valid point with the food. The big unknown is the sponsorship. What do these guys really make off of their sponsor’s? You read all the time it isn’t what it used to be, except for a handful of the big names. Most aren’t riding around in free trucks or boats. Most aren’t getting their $10-15k in electronics completely free, or their truck loads of baits free either. Most are getting them at a discount now, at what discount though? 6 minutes ago, jbsoonerfan said: Are some of these guys sponsors paying the mortgage as well? lol I’d guess a lot of the younger guys couch surf or live in their parents basement when not on the road. I think Seth Feider said he couch surfed right up until he won on Mille Lacs a few years back. Quote
Super User fishballer06 Posted May 2, 2019 Super User Posted May 2, 2019 45 minutes ago, 12poundbass said: Valid point with the food. The big unknown is the sponsorship. What do these guys really make off of their sponsor’s? You read all the time it isn’t what it used to be, except for a handful of the big names. I’d guess a lot of the younger guys couch surf or live in their parents basement when not on the road. I think Seth Feider said he couch surfed right up until he won on Mille Lacs a few years back. You might be right about Feider. He's a blue collar northern mid-wester who cut his teeth the hard way. However, I think it's kind of apparent that most of these guys that decide to go pro usually have enough capital sitting in the bank that they can afford to quit their jobs, and spend all of their money traveling all over the country just to fish. If you do the math, to buy a truck, and loaded out boat, a full rod locker and tackle boxes, you're looking at a man who has $150k in equipment right there. If you've got that kind of investment, you're probably not a guy who's scrummed by in life on a $12 an hour job. 1 Quote
Super User flyfisher Posted May 3, 2019 Super User Posted May 3, 2019 20 hours ago, HeyCoach said: I’m willing to bet that many of those previously successful anglers that are struggling in the MLF/BPT format will jump back to BASS or FLW. KVD is barely making any money from BPT tournaments, he was making bank in BASS. he wasn't making that much bank. Yes he made good money on the tournament he won, 100K i believe but other than that his money came from sponsors. His tournament winnings probably didn't even cover travel and tournament expenses. This is probably the exact reason he went on to do a different tour. Quote
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted May 3, 2019 Author Super User Posted May 3, 2019 I think KVD won like $6.5 mil over 22 years in Bass. A little over $290,000 a year. I would say that's just a smidge better than his $6K he has made in 4 months with MLF. 1 1 Quote
BassNJake Posted May 3, 2019 Posted May 3, 2019 The sponsorship money is the big question and I dont think we will realize how successful MLF can be until we see what the discovery channel puts out. If there show is remotely successful then the non-endemic sponsorships will become greater. MLF starts landing some sponsors like Coke, Pespsi, Tide and they will bury BASS with the money they will be able to wave at the anglers. Until the next market crash Quote
Super User fishballer06 Posted May 3, 2019 Super User Posted May 3, 2019 13 hours ago, flyfisher said: he wasn't making that much bank. Yes he made good money on the tournament he won, 100K i believe but other than that his money came from sponsors. His tournament winnings probably didn't even cover travel and tournament expenses. This is probably the exact reason he went on to do a different tour. Interesting you say he wasn't making money. He was in the money 7 out of 10 tournaments last season. KVD's 2018 winnings: Lake Martin - $0 Bassmaster Classic - $10k Grand Lake - $100k Kentucky Lake - $0 Lake Travis - $11k Sabine River - $10k Mississippi River - $10k Lake Oahe - $0 Chesapeake Bay - Canceled St. Lawrence River - $10k Lake Chatuge - $22k Grand total - $171k 1 Quote
Global Moderator 12poundbass Posted May 3, 2019 Global Moderator Posted May 3, 2019 1 hour ago, BassNJake said: The sponsorship money is the big question and I dont think we will realize how successful MLF can be until we see what the discovery channel puts out. If there show is remotely successful then the non-endemic sponsorships will become greater. MLF starts landing some sponsors like Coke, Pespsi, Tide and they will bury BASS with the money they will be able to wave at the anglers. Until the next market crash About 10 years ago Bassmaster magazine did an article about sponsorship. If I remember correctly Ike, Skeet, G-Man, KVD, and I want to say Marty Stone were all make over $250k a year on sponsorship. It seem like two of them were close to $1million a year. Who knows now, everyone says it’s not the same as it used to be. Quote
Rpratt Posted May 3, 2019 Posted May 3, 2019 Honest question.... Does anyone know how and if they were paid before this year for the MLF cups? I don't think I have ever seen anything for that. I doubt that they were running all over the country just to hold up a trophy as the prize. Which obviously if they did cash checks for that then someone like KVD who had a bunch of success in the MLF cups/tv show would have earned alot more money. Quote
Global Moderator 12poundbass Posted May 3, 2019 Global Moderator Posted May 3, 2019 Found it. https://m.bassmaster.com/news/show-me-money Quote
billmac Posted May 3, 2019 Posted May 3, 2019 Maybe some of these guys can't adapt to the new format. Maybe they're just having a bad year. I don't really buy the idea that they are so used to catching big bass they can't catch bank runners. I'm in favor of any format that actually makes it harder for the competitors. Quote
hoosierbass07 Posted May 3, 2019 Posted May 3, 2019 I don't care. MLF is still way funner than anything else. Also, since nearly all the top pros left BASS so quickly, that's got to say something. Those pros don't look too dumb to me. They have to deal with a big truck, big boat, gear, traveling around the country, they know how to handle money. All of them moving looked like they were more than happy to get away from BASS. Quote
Super User flyfisher Posted May 3, 2019 Super User Posted May 3, 2019 5 hours ago, fishballer06 said: Interesting you say he wasn't making money. He was in the money 7 out of 10 tournaments last season. KVD's 2018 winnings: Lake Martin - $0 Bassmaster Classic - $10k Grand Lake - $100k Kentucky Lake - $0 Lake Travis - $11k Sabine River - $10k Mississippi River - $10k Lake Oahe - $0 Chesapeake Bay - Canceled St. Lawrence River - $10k Lake Chatuge - $22k Grand total - $171k just curious, where did i say he wasn't winning any money? I have read articles stating it costs roughly 100k at minimum to compete each year which doesn't even count tackle and all that mess. So like i said, his winnings barely covered his actual costs and his main money came from sponsors which is probably why it is easier to move on to another tour. Quote
Jason Penn Posted May 7, 2019 Posted May 7, 2019 im pretty sure the reason why bass is paying the way they are this year is because all of those guys left and went bpt Quote
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