Suffix advance

[johnD.]

If it ain't broke don't fix it. Sufix Siege works very well , good enough to where I'm not looking for "other" sufix lines.

[dodgeguy]

22 hours ago, Log Catcher said:

I was going to try this but it is more expensive than Sufix Siege. Siege has been an excellent line for me. I don't want to spend more for something I may or nay not like.

$2 is to much ? Siege is great line. I would say this line is more abrasion resistant and far more sensitive due to less stretch.For $2 I'd try it.

[Log Catcher]

2 hours ago, dodgeguy said:

$2 is to much ? Siege is great line. I would say this line is more abrasion resistant and far more sensitive due to less stretch.For $2 I'd try it.

The places I have checked it is $4 to $5 more. I can buy a good florocarbon line for the same price.

[dodgeguy]

23 minutes ago, Log Catcher said:

The places I have checked it is $4 to $5 more. I can buy a good florocarbon line for the same price.

At Bass pro shops the difference between 10 lb siege and advance in 330 yd spools is $2.50. imho advance overall is superior to flourocarbon. Far better handling and casting.i also think it has less stretch by far and is more sensitive.

[Log Catcher]

11 minutes ago, dodgeguy said:

At Bass pro shops the difference between 10 lb siege and advance in 330 yd spools is $2.50. imho advance overall is superior to flourocarbon. Far better handling and casting.i also think it has less stretch by far and is more sensitive.

I quit buying line from BPS a long time ago because they had gotten so much more expensive than what I can get it for in other places. While the floro I use is a smaller spool I have had very good luck with it. Since I don't fish tournaments I don't need the most expensive line out there.

[jimmyjoe]

49 minutes ago, Log Catcher said:

I can buy a good florocarbon line for the same price.

   There is such a thing?   ?     jj

[rangerjockey]

What flouro are you buying for $10.59 for 300 plus yards ?

[Log Catcher]

5 hours ago, jimmyjoe said:

   There is such a thing?   ?     jj

 I have had very good luck with Sunline Super Fluorocarbon For $14.99 for 200 yard spools. One of the guys at our local tackle shop recommended it to me. I see no reason to spend a lot more for the high dollar lines when I like what I am using now. Just like anything else everybody has there own opinion.

[TBAG]

On 4/27/2019 at 12:28 PM, Tlauz said:

I just put it on three spinning reels, so hopefully, I like it. 

What lb test and how are you liking it? 

[jimmyjoe]

1 hour ago, Log Catcher said:

I have had very good luck with Sunline Super Fluorocarbon

   That's one I haven't used or seen used. If you don't mind, could I ask you some questions about it?

   1) what lb. test?

   2) Have you pulled it past its elastic threshold?

   3) How's the knot integrity? Which knots do you use?

   4) Casting or spinning reel?

   5) How's line twist?

 

   I've used Vanish (horrible all 'round), FC Sniper (wiry, difficult knots) and one named "invisiline", or something  like that. ,All of them, plus every FC line my fishing buddies have used, are hard to cast, hard to manage and hard to tie a good durable knot. It's worst on spinning gear. On casting gear, I had to increase the cast control and shorten my distance to control fluff and backlash.

   I got disgusted and went back to mono (and braid) 2 or 3 years ago.

   Have they improved FC lines since then?        jj

[Tlauz]

45 minutes ago, TBAG said:

What lb test and how are you liking it? 

Opener up here is not until May, 11th.  I probably won't get out until the 18th.  I will report as soon as I get out!

[rangerjockey]

Honestly, If someone can't make Sniper work they probably should stay away from flouro.

[Hulkster]

I went fishing yesterday with Sufix Siege 8 pound on my stradic 3000 and 12 pound on my curado baitcasting rod and it was amazing on both, great casting especially. 

 

However I didnt catch anything. 

 

Im curious how the memory would compare to Siege, but I can't find it locally in my area. Siege has a bit of memory at first but after a few casts it really loosens up and casts like a rocket.

 

I would imagine Advanced is the same??

[Log Catcher]

22 hours ago, jimmyjoe said:

   That's one I haven't used or seen used. If you don't mind, could I ask you some questions about it?

   1) what lb. test?

   2) Have you pulled it past its elastic threshold?

   3) How's the knot integrity? Which knots do you use?

   4) Casting or spinning reel?

   5) How's line twist?

 

   I've used Vanish (horrible all 'round), FC Sniper (wiry, difficult knots) and one named "invisiline", or something  like that. ,All of them, plus every FC line my fishing buddies have used, are hard to cast, hard to manage and hard to tie a good durable knot. It's worst on spinning gear. On casting gear, I had to increase the cast control and shorten my distance to control fluff and backlash.

   I got disgusted and went back to mono (and braid) 2 or 3 years ago.

   Have they improved FC lines since then?        jj

I am using this in 12# test. I only use it on baitcasters. I would not recommend it for a spinning reel. I use a San Diego jam knot most of the time and have not had any problems with it. I'm not sure what you mean by the elastic threshold. I have pulled it to break off soft plastics when they get hung up and maybe cut some more off. One of the owners of our local tackle shop recommended it to me. He does fish a lot of tournaments and says he likes it for flipping and pitching in to heavy cover. I only use it for soft plastics and jigs.

[jimmyjoe]

1 hour ago, Log Catcher said:

. I'm not sure what you mean by the elastic threshold.

   If you stretch fluorocarbon a little bit, it returns to its original state. This is called elastic behavior. Kinda like the elastic in clothing. But once it has become stretched to a certain degree, it no longer returns to the original state. That "point of no return" is called the elastic threshold. Behavior beyond the elastic threshold is called "plastic" behavior.

   In the lines I tried, the elastic threshold was fairly low .... at least to my wants and desires. To say that it irritated me is a huge understatement. And I was comparing it to Big Game, which has an enormous elasticism. That might have been part of the problem, IDK.

   It was also noisy going through the guides, which I didn't like.

   I might try it again some day, or I might not. Haven't decided. The only real reason I tried it in the first place was because it sank, and in certain applications I thought that might be a big advantage.     jj

[Vilas15]

10 minutes ago, jimmyjoe said:

   If you stretch fluorocarbon a little bit, it returns to its original state. This is called elastic behavior. Kinda like the elastic in clothing. But once it has become stretched to a certain degree, it no longer returns to the original state. That "point of no return" is called the elastic threshold. Behavior beyond the elastic threshold is called "plastic" behavior.

   In the lines I tried, the elastic threshold was fairly low .... at least to my wants and desires. To say that it irritated me is a huge understatement. And I was comparing it to Big Game, which has an enormous elasticism. That might have been part of the problem, IDK.

   It was also noisy going through the guides, which I didn't like.

   I might try it again some day, or I might not. Haven't decided. The only real reason I tried it in the first place was because it sank, and in certain applications I thought that might be a big advantage.     jj

That why I considered trying some fluorocarbon but didn't end up making the switch from Siege. When I pull on a snag I don't want to have to cut off a full cast's length of line because it was weakened when I pulled it.

[dodgeguy]

I pulled in a tree with advance and never oassedany elastic threshold or line getting weaker. I have had flourocarbon do that.

[jimmyjoe]

52 minutes ago, dodgeguy said:

I pulled in a tree with advance and never oassedany elastic threshold or line getting weaker. I have had flourocarbon do that.

   How's your knot strength with Advance? Yesterday  I caught a branch and my 14 lb. broke sooner than I thought it should have, and it broke right at the knot, which I don't like. The new Trilene XL does that, which is why I was looking around for a new line to use. (Some lines don't want to make a real tight bend, such as the turn or double turn around the hook eye. Forcing it weakens them.) This is the first time I got the opportunity to test Advance this way, so I'm not drawing any conclusions yet. But I'm watching it real close. Knot strength is important to me.    jj

[Hulkster]

what knot were you using with the advanced?

 

If it is slick like Siege, i had problems with an improved clinch knot slipping and breaking with Siege.

 

Once I used the palomar knot, i straightened the hook on a #3 mepps spinner getting my lure back from a snag with only 6 pound test.

 

made a believer out of me. with the right knot Siege is STRONG. 

[dodgeguy]

4 hours ago, jimmyjoe said:

   How's your knot strength with Advance? Yesterday  I caught a branch and my 14 lb. broke sooner than I thought it should have, and it broke right at the knot, which I don't like. The new Trilene XL does that, which is why I was looking around for a new line to use. (Some lines don't want to make a real tight bend, such as the turn or double turn around the hook eye. Forcing it weakens them.) This is the first time I got the opportunity to test Advance this way, so I'm not drawing any conclusions yet. But I'm watching it real close. Knot strength is important to me.    jj

I use a Palomar knot and wet it with spit. I'm very meticulous tying knots. This was a big tree on 14 lb test. I just pulled steady because I'm not into breaking rods. My falcon had a serious bend pulling it in. I was fishing from shore so I couldn't float over and get it.

[Hulkster]

wow. i know 14 pound Siege is tough to break, possibly the Advanced has a lower knot/tensile strength, but it is likely more supple, and of course we know it will be more sensitive due to the reduction in stretch.

 

Siege is very strong  line but i would say it is stretchy. it really stretches before it actually breaks, and it sounds like a gunshot when it does. 

[FryDog62]

I posted a line stretch test here a couple years ago... tested several mono, fluorocarbon and co-poly lines.  Tested lines dry and after being soaked in water for 24 hours.  

 

Net result was that most fluorocarbon lines stretched more than mono when dry, but after soaking all lines in water, the mono ended up stretching about as much as most of the fluorocarbons.  

 

The line with the least overall stretch was Yo-Zuri Hybrid - it’s marketed as UV and waterproof and didn’t stretch much different after soaking.  It stretched less than the other lines either wet or dry.  

 

Since Advance is marketed as “Made from HMPE and hyper co-polymer materials, the Sufix Advanced Monofilament Line Clear offers 50% less stretch and UV absorption than standard monofilament” I’ve thought about buying some, soaking overnight and doing a stretch comparison with YZH.  

 

We’ll see...

[I'm Blue]

2 hours ago, FryDog62 said:

I posted a line stretch test here a couple years ago... tested several mono, fluorocarbon and co-poly lines.  Tested lines dry and after being soaked in water for 24 hours.  

 

Net result was that most fluorocarbon lines stretched more than mono when dry, but after soaking all lines in water, the mono ended up stretching about as much as most of the fluorocarbons.  

 

The line with the least overall stretch was Yo-Zuri Hybrid - it’s marketed as UV and waterproof and didn’t stretch much different after soaking.  It stretched less than the other lines either wet or dry.  

 

Since Advance is marketed as “Made from HMPE and hyper co-polymer materials, the Sufix Advanced Monofilament Line Clear offers 50% less stretch and UV absorption than standard monofilament” I’ve thought about buying some, soaking overnight and doing a stretch comparison with YZH.  

 

We’ll see...

PM me a mailling address and i'll send you some , ive got *** suffix advance I just bought got some left on the spool too short to do much with can send u a few yards

[FryDog62]

14 minutes ago, I'm Blue said:

PM me a mailling address and i'll send you some , ive got *** suffix advance I just bought got some left on the spool too short to do much with can send u a few yards

What pound test... would need approx 14-15 feet of line..

[Smelter96]

I'll be putting it through its paces this year. Got 10lb, 14lb, and 17lb spooled up ready to go.