Manly Studson Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 When I throw a jig with a trailer, I catch fewer fish than when I throw a jig without a trailer. I sometimes add a Kalin’s grub or Netbait craw to a SK Hack-Attack or Bitsy Flip. I match the colors of the trailer with the jig. But I consistently do better without a trailer. I’ve read that bass may be less likely to strike trailers that imitate a craw’s pincer. Anyone have a similar experience? 2 Quote
Super User Team9nine Posted April 16, 2019 Super User Posted April 16, 2019 I’m betting you’re in the minority. Jigs without trailers talk is bass fishing blasphemy 2 7 Quote
Super User Columbia Craw Posted April 16, 2019 Super User Posted April 16, 2019 Trailers of some kind only enhance the overall action or movement of a jig. Trailers also allow the angler to increase or decrease the fall rate of the jig. I always looked at a jig as a vehicle for the trailer. Fishing a naked jig doesn't give those options. I'm not aware that bass dismember their prey and certainly don't shy away from eating crayfish regardless of pincers or displaying a defensive stance. Crayfish offer calcium and protein for bass and will eat them when ever possible. 1 Quote
Super User A-Jay Posted April 16, 2019 Super User Posted April 16, 2019 I always just assumed that there was some kind of actual law that forbid the use of a trailerless jig. . . . A-Jay 6 9 Quote
Manly Studson Posted April 16, 2019 Author Posted April 16, 2019 I hear you guys. I’m just trying to make sense out of my experience. I’ll work on the presentation with trailers and see what I can do. As far as what bass think of pincers, this is what I read: “For 60 days, 450 largemouth bass, plucked from the same environment, were tested using a robotic arm and a strike counter. Each group of bass was presented a crawfish bait at the same speed and angle of attack. The bass tested had never seen the bait that was presented (it was a prototype). The test then continued, with one pincer removed, then a second pincer removed, and finally, the legs. The soft bait that had no appendages (no legs or pincers, just a body and tail) had the greatest number of strikes.” Pure Fishing is behind the study. 1 Quote
papajoe222 Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 29 minutes ago, A-Jay said: I always just assumed that there was some kind of actual law that forbid the use of a trailerless jig. . . . A-Jay There is. Papa's law #6 reads: Any angler caught fishing a skirted jig without a pork or plastic trailer will be immediately barred from fishing with him. Gibbs is a copy cat with his Rule #s 2 Quote
Todd2 Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, Manly Studson said: The soft bait that had no appendages (no legs or pincers, just a body and tail) had the greatest number of strikes.” I read this in Dr. Jones book. I think he surmised a tube best matched his results....that's why I added tubes to my arsenal. 1 Quote
Super User Columbia Craw Posted April 16, 2019 Super User Posted April 16, 2019 Berkley Lures offers 23 soft plastic lures in some type of crawfish configuration. They are owned by Pure Fishing. The crawfish pincers cleaned out of my live well is enough to convince me i'm on target. 1 Quote
GrumpyOlPhartte Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 @Manly Studson: Uh, I guess my question is, “Why attempt to fix it if it ain’t broken?” I’m pretty much a hack bass fisherman but if I’m getting bites I stick with it. If the bite drops off I try to figure out why and change presentation, or location. If I was having better results without a trailer, I’d stick with it. Personally I’d be happy with any bite on a jig!!! Gotta say I really appreciated what @Columbia Craw had to say. And just as a point of interest, I remember back in the ‘60s a local bait shop occasionally offered “soft shell” crawfish which were basically those that had just molted. Couldn’t get many, they cost a lot, and they didn’t stay “soft shell” for long. 1 Quote
Super User A-Jay Posted April 16, 2019 Super User Posted April 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, papajoe222 said: There is. Papa's law #6 reads: Any angler caught fishing a skirted jig without a pork or plastic trailer will be immediately barred from fishing with him. I knew it. ? A-Jay Quote
Dirtyeggroll Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 I once fished a tournament where I had pre-fished and the water was chocolate milk but on he day of he tournament it was ~6-7 ft visibility. I happened to have one green pumpkin jig that already had a trailer on it (all the others were black and blue). about an hour into the day both of he pincers had been removed from the trailer. I continued to fish the jig anyway and ended up getting 2nd place with ~18 lbs having caught all but one of my fish on the trailer-lacking jig. 2 Quote
Josh Smith Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 In the above study, the Pure Fishing folks refused to market a pincer-less crawdad, even if it worked better. They felt it wouldn't sell. Most lures are designed to catch the fisherman. Regards. 5 Quote
Manly Studson Posted April 16, 2019 Author Posted April 16, 2019 8 minutes ago, Todd2 said: I read this in Dr. Jones book. I think he surmised a tube best matched his results....that's why I added tubes to my arsenal. Yes, I believe that was what the study concluded. I wonder that fishing a trailer-less jig is very similar to fishing a tube. Tubes and jigs without trailers have resulted in most strikes for me. Quote
Super User Columbia Craw Posted April 16, 2019 Super User Posted April 16, 2019 Listen guys, it's not my intention to be adversarial or testy. If I came across that way and I very well may have, I'm sorry. I value anyone's view point. Having a study that minimizes the validity of a food source for a bass and then developing an array of baits that's contrary is over the top. I'll tuck my Rage Craws between my legs and walk away. 3 Quote
Manly Studson Posted April 16, 2019 Author Posted April 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, Columbia Craw said: Listen guys, it's not my intention to be adversarial or testy. If I came across that way and I very well may have, I'm sorry. I value anyone's view point. Having a study that minimizes the validity of a food source for a bass and then developing an array of baits that's contrary is over the top. I'll tuck my Rage Craws between my legs and walk away. I guess it’s hard to say what a bass thinks or prefers. They definitely like craws, with pincers and without them. Do they prefer one over the other? Maybe. Maybe not. I bet they would prefer to not be pinched! If there is any merit to the study, it’s probably that animals would rather target wounded prey, like a lion targeting a wounded gazelle. Craws without pincers are probably rare. Therefore bass are probably more likely to target craws with pincers just by the numbers alone. Quote
Super User Munkin Posted April 16, 2019 Super User Posted April 16, 2019 The only jigs I fish without a trailer are hair jigs in cold water (34-39 degrees). Allen 2 Quote
Glaucus Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 What I'm seeing is that you need to down size your jig and trailer, not necessarily throw a jig without a trailer. Quote
Gorris317 Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 Not to jack that thread, but what trailers do you guys prefer for your jigs? Quote
Super User A-Jay Posted April 16, 2019 Super User Posted April 16, 2019 6 hours ago, Gorris317 said: Not to jack that thread, but what trailers do you guys prefer for your jigs? The options here are infinite and endless; I think that means there's a lot. If you simply stuck to a SK Rage Craw, a Rage Bug and a "Chunk" or some type of less action deal, you'd have your bases covered. Don't tell the bait monkey I said that though. A-Jay Quote
Super User scaleface Posted April 16, 2019 Super User Posted April 16, 2019 I've often wondered if a trailer-less jig would work just as well . I've never tried it because it is just unheard of . Thanks Manly for your report . I might just try it . 1 Quote
Todd2 Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 Yeah, if it works, keep doing it. I've never thrown a jig without something attached but I have put on some very unconventional trailers. Back ends of used up curly tails, brush hogs, and long before I ever heard of the Ned, I was using stickbaits(either whole or partial). I've caught fish on all of them. Quote
Super User the reel ess Posted April 16, 2019 Super User Posted April 16, 2019 10 hours ago, Manly Studson said: I hear you guys. I’m just trying to make sense out of my experience. I’ll work on the presentation with trailers and see what I can do. As far as what bass think of pincers, this is what I read: “For 60 days, 450 largemouth bass, plucked from the same environment, were tested using a robotic arm and a strike counter. Each group of bass was presented a crawfish bait at the same speed and angle of attack. The bass tested had never seen the bait that was presented (it was a prototype). The test then continued, with one pincer removed, then a second pincer removed, and finally, the legs. The soft bait that had no appendages (no legs or pincers, just a body and tail) had the greatest number of strikes.” Pure Fishing is behind the study. Funny because every time I lose a pincer off my trailer, I replace it. I'll have to rethink the kind of trailer I use and if I should replace as often. I have a feeling bigger bass are less concerned about pincers. When I was young, I didn't know that jig required trailers so I threw one without a trailer with no results. I just stopped using them for a decade. Quote
Super User FryDog62 Posted April 16, 2019 Super User Posted April 16, 2019 I think I’ll go to using curly tail trailers now... hopefully the fish aren’t afraid of a swimming worm.. Quote
Super User fishballer06 Posted April 16, 2019 Super User Posted April 16, 2019 9 hours ago, Gorris317 said: Not to jack that thread, but what trailers do you guys prefer for your jigs? Zoom Z Craw Jr Quote
Fishin Dad Posted April 16, 2019 Posted April 16, 2019 This has me thinking now, what trailer would/should I try without something that a craw type of look to it? I thought curly tail grub (I have used these on a swim jig). I always just assumed when jig fishing on the bottom, I was imitating a craw, but I may give this a try for the fun of it. What ideas could a guy use to try this?? Quote
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