Really messed up this thread. Question on knots and lost bait...

[Allatoona GLOCKer]

I posted in this in the wrong area, and tried to copy and paste it into the correct sub forum.  I then lost the original post.

SORRY!

Long and short of it is I tied a Palomar knot to a swivel clip and attached a nice hard swim bait that I lost after about 12 to 15 casts.  The 10 lb line failed at the knot.  Bye-bye really nice swim bait!

[jbsoonerfan]

A Palomar knot is the only knot I use to tie to the bait. I haven't had one break in a number of years. I did have them break before and I wasn't sure why. I think when I was pulling the knot tight I wasn't wetting it enough and pulling too tight and the heat from the motion made the line weak. I figured out if I make sure it is wet, pull it slowly AND only pull the tag end of the line to make it tight, it seems to perform flawlessly. I have straightened out hooks when I was hung up and the knot held fine.

[Allatoona GLOCKer]

6 minutes ago, jbsoonerfan said:

A Palomar knot is the only knot I use to tie to the bait. I haven't had one break in a number of years. I did have them break before and I wasn't sure why. I think when I was pulling the knot tight I wasn't wetting it enough and pulling too tight and the heat from the motion made the line weak. I figured out if I make sure it is wet, pull it slowly AND only pull the tag end of the line to make it tight, it seems to perform flawlessly. I have straightened out hooks when I was hung up and the knot held fine.

Thank you. 

I tried to delete this post and move it to the correct sub forum and seemed to have messed it up really good.  I didn't properly copy my text and now my original post is lost...  DOH!

I certainly DIDN'T wet my line.  I didn't know that was a thing.  Lesson learned!

[MN Fisher]

2 minutes ago, Allatoona GLOCKer said:

I tried to delete this post and move it to the correct sub forum and seemed to have messed it up really good.  I didn't properly copy my text and now my original post is lost...  DOH!

If it's in the wrong spot, the mods will move it - can't delete posts in this forum.

 

2 minutes ago, Allatoona GLOCKer said:

I certainly DIDN'T wet my line.  I didn't know that was a thing.  Lesson learned!

I use the Palomar knot almost exclusively whether it's mono, FC or braid. Wetting the knot before tightening is a must, and don't jerk the knot tight, steady pull.

[jbsoonerfan]

Another thing is that it could be your setup. If you are throwing a 1oz or better swimbait then 10 lb line may be too thin. The action of the rod could also effect how much stress is put on the line (depending on weight) at its launch point. Another thing to consider would be your casting method. I have more problems with heavy lures when doing an overhead cast. That cast seems to put the most stress on your line. I prefer a sidearm or 3/4 cast or even a roll cast when throwing heavier lures.

[Allatoona GLOCKer]

Thanks again guys!

My rod is a medium action, and I prefer casting sidearm (There are low power lines run out to the dock behind where I stand).  I really tightened that knot down hard and I didn't wet the line.  I have a feeling that was my screw-up.  Thank you!!!!!! 

[Mike L]

What line are you useing?

You're gonna get a lot of different suggestions on here. 

 

Personally I only use the Palomar with braided lines regardless of strength. 

When I punch useing 65# or 80# I snell the knot but really don't need too. 

 

If you're useing mono, flouro or a copoly line I suggest you try a different one. 

There are many good ones that will hold. 

 

But no matter what you use be certain it is tied correctly after wetting it throughly before cinching. 

 

 

 

 

Mike

[Allatoona GLOCKer]

4 hours ago, Mike L said:

What line are you useing?

You're gonna get a lot of different suggestions on here. 

 

Personally I only use the Palomar with braided lines regardless of strength. 

When I punch useing 65# or 80# I snell the knot but really don't need too. 

 

If you're useing mono, flouro or a copoly line I suggest you try a different one. 

There are many good ones that will hold. 

 

But no matter what you use be certain it is tied correctly after wetting it throughly before cinching. 

 

 

 

 

Mike

I can't remember the line.  It's a 10 lb line and I paid $12 for it.  LOL
When I get a chance I'll check it.  I got it from Cabelas...

[Dwight Hottle]

The light line certainly contributed to the breakage. You need heavier line for larger or heavier baits.

[Josh Gann]

I use the the improved clinch knot with every line type an never have problems. Wet it , pull the tag end slowly an you're good . Everybody loves the Palomar an I'm sure it's great , but i just grew up with the clinch and have never had a reason to change 

[Obi_Wan]

I have been fishing for over 40 years.  The only knot that I have ever had break on me was a Palomar knot.  I know many love it, but not me.  It's obviously a good knot, but not in my hands.  I prefer a Fish-N-Fool, Eugene Bend, or Multifilament knot (only name I know, but may be something else).  

 

Started tying a uni knot when I started fly fishing as I couldn't get doubled line through the small eyes of the flies.  Glad I learned something different.