Super User jbsoonerfan Posted March 28, 2019 Super User Posted March 28, 2019 Antares DC 7 on a Denali Fission 7'2" H. I must have moved when I took the pic, it was pretty level. 1
Super User QUAKEnSHAKE Posted March 28, 2019 Super User Posted March 28, 2019 MH/F 7'6" Omen Black 2 weighs 5.8oz , with a Daiwa SV105 6.2oz reel 1
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted March 28, 2019 Super User Posted March 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, ResoKP said: Difference is mine is 2019 standards and you're still stuck back in the 1950's ? Some of us are still ways out before retiring from this game. Let us figure out the new generation of products without being spewed "I'm a decendent of Hercules and I used to fish with 20 lb rods" from the all elders over here. I for one would like to see how the new Antares A stacks on a Poison Adrena. Someone here will post that eventually and I'm sure everyone would appreciate that. For the record, the reel I went with is considerably heavier to balance out the tip-heaviness of today's "too light" rods. Do you have a theory for what technique you want to use for a particular balance? What about the line? Do you want it to balance a little further for a particular application? 9 minutes ago, BaitFinesse said: If I am interested in a particular rod it is nice to see a picture of where it balances out with a reel mounted and the approximate weight of the reel. This information will allow me to determine: A. If I even want the rod. B. What type of reel I would need to pair to the rod to balance it out Take OP's pic for example. I would like to own an FMJ at some point and that pic tells me all I need to know that it will need to be paired to a reel in the 7oz + range to balance out to my tastes. But what does it matter? Does a half inch or 1 inch make a difference? I bet when you are fishing with it you couldn't tell the difference. But, it's 2019 standards where a reel that weighs .8 more than another really fatigues people.
Super User A-Jay Posted March 28, 2019 Super User Posted March 28, 2019 27 minutes ago, ResoKP said: Difference is mine is 2019 standards and you're still stuck back in the 1950's ? Some of us are still ways out before retiring from this game. Let us figure out the new generation of products without being spewed "I'm a decendent of Hercules and I used to fish with 20 lb rods" from the all elders over here. I for one would like to see how the new Antares A stacks on a Poison Adrena. Someone here will post that eventually and I'm sure everyone would appreciate that. For the record, the reel I went with is considerably heavier to balance out the tip-heaviness of today's "too light" rods. 5 Well, that's got to be it. I'm just an old spewer. 10/0 Penn Senator on a heavy action Tuna Stick - balances perfectly. Who knew. @WRB Tom Knows A-Jay 3 4
Super User QUAKEnSHAKE Posted March 28, 2019 Super User Posted March 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, A-Jay said: Well, that's got to be it. I'm just an old spewer. 10/0 Penn Senator on a heavy action Tuna Stick - balances perfectly. Who knew. @WRB Tom Knows A-Jay How well does it toss a ned rig? Thats what we really need to know. 1
Super User A-Jay Posted March 28, 2019 Super User Posted March 28, 2019 1 minute ago, QUAKEnSHAKE said: How well does it toss a ned rig? Thats what we really need to know. Perfectly, as long it's at least 28 ounces; and balanced. A-Jay (I need to go fishing)
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted March 28, 2019 Super User Posted March 28, 2019 Geez, I'm like a fat TW model. All my pics are in a TW shirt. 5
Super User soflabasser Posted March 28, 2019 Super User Posted March 28, 2019 59 minutes ago, A-Jay said: It may mean that you can only catch 'balanced bass' that live in your closet with that particular rig. LOL 25 minutes ago, A-Jay said: Well, that's got to be it. I'm just an old spewer. 10/0 Penn Senator on a heavy action Tuna Stick - balances perfectly. That is a very nice Penn Senator. I have a collection of Penn Senators from 4/0 to 12/0, many of them are older than me and still work very well. 1
NittyGrittyBoy Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 This thread gave me a good laugh. It's gonna be the next Instagram hashtag #balancedfishing #2019goals #balancedBASS 1
Brad Reid Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 For me, it'd be almost all about overall weight, the one metric that makes the most noticeable difference after a long day with a rod and reel in one's hands. It makes a big difference regarding sensitivity, too. And, this, because as regards a "finger" balance, it isn't a position we find ourselves in while actually fishing. We want our lines out as much as possible. For finesse presentations, almost all are performed with a bit of tension on the line . . . and this adds a bit of downward pressure on the rod tip. This is where you want to perfect balance: lure in the water. For power presentations or active casting and reeling, again, the balance point is shifted toward the rod tip, too, as we experience the resistance of line and lure drag. It leaves me thinking overall weight trumps balance. But, not totally discounting the importance of balance, no, I'd think in most cases using a playground teeter totter as an example, we'd want the tip of the rod higher, the reel end to be the slightly heavier of the two knowing the rod tip will have forces pressing down on it while actually fishing. *** Hoping to hear someone's experience with the super, super light Shimano Poison Adrena rods with a very light reel. I saw the video of the guy walking around holding the butt end of this rod between his finger and thumb like he was holding a toothpick. And, well, I like spending other people's money for them. Ha! Poison Adrena here. Impressive. Brad
Super User Catt Posted March 28, 2019 Super User Posted March 28, 2019 I guess I'm to old cause I don't see where y'all have proven anything! If y'all move your finger backwards or forwards any combo will "balance" out! Where's the proper "balance" point? None of those pictures show how y'all actually hold your rod while fishing. Hang a 1.5 oz punch weight off the end, where's the balance point now? Or a 1/2 oz spinnerbait or a weightless Fluke. I guess this kind of discussion is how y'all kill time during winter. 9
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted March 28, 2019 Super User Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Catt said: I guess I'm to old cause I don't see where y'all have proven anything! If y'all move your finger backwards or forwards any combo will "balance" out! Where's the proper "balance" point? None of those pictures show how y'all actually hold your rod while fishing. Hang a 1.5 oz punch weight off the end, where's the balance point now? Or a 1/2 oz spinnerbait or a weightless Fluke. I guess this kind of discussion is how y'all kill time during winter. Exactly!!!!! That's why I posted my pics, to show that they prove nothing. Shhhhhhhhhhh, but I think the title should have been "Look at my new combo" 2
Super User Tennessee Boy Posted March 28, 2019 Super User Posted March 28, 2019 49 minutes ago, Catt said: I guess I'm to old cause I don't see where y'all have proven anything! If y'all move your finger backwards or forwards any combo will "balance" out! Where's the proper "balance" point? None of those pictures show how y'all actually hold your rod while fishing. Hang a 1.5 oz punch weight off the end, where's the balance point now? Or a 1/2 oz spinnerbait or a weightless Fluke. I guess this kind of discussion is how y'all kill time during winter. Let me try to explain. If you spend enough money on a rod and reel, you're gonna want to admire how good if feels in your hand. If you understand the physics of torque, then you understand that the forces on a rod change as you change the rod angle and they change dramatically when you attach a lure. None of this matters when you're just standing around admiring your perfectly balance $1000 combo. 1 1
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted March 28, 2019 Super User Posted March 28, 2019 14 minutes ago, Tennessee Boy said: Let me try to explain. If you spend enough money on a rod and reel, you're gonna want to admire how good if feels in your hand. If you understand the physics of torque, then you understand that the forces on a rod change as you change the rod angle and they change dramatically when you attach a lure. None of this matters when you're just standing around admiring your perfectly balance $1000 combo. Some people, not here but on another forum. Post more pics of their gear than they do of fish they catch. 1
Super User QUAKEnSHAKE Posted March 28, 2019 Super User Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Catt said: I guess I'm to old cause I don't see where y'all have proven anything! If y'all move your finger backwards or forwards any combo will "balance" out! Where's the proper "balance" point? None of those pictures show how y'all actually hold your rod while fishing. Hang a 1.5 oz punch weight off the end, where's the balance point now? Or a 1/2 oz spinnerbait or a weightless Fluke. I guess this kind of discussion is how y'all kill time during winter. Yet you're posting, along with a few others, in this thread you care nothing about how silly is that. Its quite simple those of you that that feel like you do no reason to view the thread anymore. Participate being on topic or move along dont waste your precious time. 5
ResoKP Posted March 28, 2019 Author Posted March 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Brad Reid said: For me, it'd be almost all about overall weight, the one metric that makes the most noticeable difference after a long day with a rod and reel in one's hands. It makes a big difference regarding sensitivity, too. And, this, because as regards a "finger" balance, it isn't a position we find ourselves in while actually fishing. We want our lines out as much as possible. For finesse presentations, almost all are performed with a bit of tension on the line . . . and this adds a bit of downward pressure on the rod tip. This is where you want to perfect balance: lure in the water. For power presentations or active casting and reeling, again, the balance point is shifted toward the rod tip, too, as we experience the resistance of line and lure drag. It leaves me thinking overall weight trumps balance. But, not totally discounting the importance of balance, no, I'd think in most cases using a playground teeter totter as an example, we'd want the tip of the rod higher, the reel end to be the slightly heavier of the two knowing the rod tip will have forces pressing down on it while actually fishing. *** Hoping to hear someone's experience with the super, super light Shimano Poison Adrena rods with a very light reel. I saw the video of the guy walking around holding the butt end of this rod between his finger and thumb like he was holding a toothpick. And, well, I like spending other people's money for them. Ha! Poison Adrena here. Impressive. Brad If the overall weight is the only thing mattered, then the answer to every question about balance would be: Shimano ALDEBARAN. But it's not.
Super User Catt Posted March 28, 2019 Super User Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, QUAKEnSHAKE said: Yet you're posting, along with a few others, in this thread you care nothing about how silly is that. Its quite simple those of you that that feel like you do no reason to view the thread anymore. Participate being on topic or move along dont waste your precious time. Silly me! I didn't know I needed your permission to comment on a topic! I'll be sure to check with you next time ? 5 1
WRangler506 Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 13 hours ago, jbrew73 said: This was without a reel? Yes without a reel. I thought this forum was different, that people talk about what stuff they like and dont like, without telling other people its useless and doesnt matter. This seems to be a sensitive topic to some for reasons unknown to me.... I for one, seem to USE rods that are my favorite performing, and favorite FEELING combos I have. For example, my Champion 705CB balances very well compared to some similar price rods. I use the same Fuego CTs on all of my casting rods, so the reel doesnt matter much. If you have a consistent grip on all your reels, the balance point without reel is still a good starting reference, it doesnt need to be more complicated than that. I like rods that balance closer to my hand. They are more fun. They dont catch more fish, win trophies, or give me more vacation days. I just like them better.
Super User OkobojiEagle Posted March 28, 2019 Super User Posted March 28, 2019 I hope this comment will stay under the "snark radar"... quite a few years ago I developed tennis elbow during my fall walleye fishing. I tried ice packs after fishing, heat ointment before fishing and compression bands during fishing. All of these remedies helped a tad, but didn't cure the symptoms. This annoyance continued for two fishing seasons until I weighted the butt of the fishing rods I was using. I weighted the rod butt to the point of the rod/reel balanced on my index finger where I held each rod (without lures attached). I've not suffered with tennis elbow since. Maybe its a witch doctor's spell, or the planets aligning just so, but I'll continue to give credit to balancing my fishing rods/reels. oe 1
Super User J Francho Posted March 28, 2019 Super User Posted March 28, 2019 All these tip heavy pics. Do you all fish with your baitcast reel on the bottom? Years ago, Larry Dahlberg showed a sling that he made to determine balance point on casting/conventional setups. It held the rod with the reel in the proper upright position. He often had to add weight to the butt to get it to balance they way he liked. At any rate, I really don't know what point is my preference. It either feels right or not. 1
WRangler506 Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 Just now, OkobojiEagle said: I hope this comment will stay under the "snark radar"... quite a few years ago I developed tennis elbow during my fall walleye fishing. I tried ice packs after fishing, heat ointment before fishing and compression bands during fishing. All of these remedies helped a tad, but didn't cure the symptoms. This annoyance continued for two fishing seasons until I weighted the butt of the fishing rods I was using. I weighted the rod butt to the point of the rod/reel balanced on my index finger where I held each rod (without lures attached). I've not suffered with tennis elbow since. Maybe its a witch doctor's spell, or the planets aligning just so, but I'll continue to give credit to balancing my fishing rods/reels. oe Im with you. The reason I care so much is becasue I broke both wrists racing motocross 15 years ago and have had 3 surguries on each since then. If someone wants balance and will notice, I believe it will be me. Game changer for me when it comes to fishing more than 10 minutes.
ResoKP Posted March 28, 2019 Author Posted March 28, 2019 Here's my Orochi XX Perfect Pitch with Tatula SV. Tip constantly dropping got rather unpleasant fishing for 12 hours a day last season. And this is with 4 quarters added to the butt end: Already seems to feel a lot better. Will have to play with it on the water this season 1
Super User OkobojiEagle Posted March 28, 2019 Super User Posted March 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Brad Reid said: where you want to perfect balance: lure in the water. Brad, I'm going to disagree with you here. I want the lure weight and/or action of the lure to tip the rod out of balance. This aids me in feeling the lure. Additional lure weight or loss of lure weight is a pretty good indication I should set the hook. oe 1
WRangler506 Posted March 28, 2019 Posted March 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, J Francho said: All these tip heavy pics. Do you all fish with your baitcast reel on the bottom? Years ago, Larry Dahlberg showed a sling that he made to determine balance point on casting/conventional setups. It held the rod with the reel in the proper upright position. He often had to add weight to the butt to get it to balance they way he liked. At any rate, I really don't know what point is my preference. It either feels right or not. Its been a long while since I took statics, so ill rely on simple concepts, but I dont see how the balance would be any different at all with the reel up or down. The load is applied at the same point either way, with the same force so it shouldnt be different upside down or not when trying to find the actual balance point. 7 minutes ago, ResoKP said: Here's my Orochi XX Perfect Pitch with Tatula SV. Tip constantly dropping gets rather unpleasant fishing for 12 hours a day all last season. And this is with 4 quarters added to the butt end: Already seems to feel a lot better. Will have to play with it on the water this season Nice. Good example thanks for sharing. Ill have to try that on a few of my combos. 2
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted March 28, 2019 Super User Posted March 28, 2019 12 hours ago, ResoKP said: Difference is mine is 2019 standards and you're still stuck back in the 1950's ? Some of us are still ways out before retiring from this game. Let us figure out the new generation of products without being spewed "I'm a decendent of Hercules and I used to fish with 20 lb rods" from the all elders over here. I for one would like to see how the new Antares A stacks on a Poison Adrena. Someone here will post that eventually and I'm sure everyone would appreciate that. For the record, the reel I went with is considerably heavier to balance out the tip-heaviness of today's "too light" rods. I wouldn't dog A-Jay too much, maybe you should look at one of his threads before calling him out. He might be a decedent of Hercules. I think the reason many of us "old men" don't understand why it matters is because one inch toward the tip vs toward the reel seat isn't really going to make a difference in a fishing situation. Sure, sitting around your house and taking pics it might, but not out on the water. I'm sorry, but if anyone really gets fatigued or tired over a few ounces, maybe you should take up remote control planes or something. Never mind, the remote would probably be too heavy. 3
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