Daiwa Fuego LT uneven line lay

[Anglermikey]

Having issues with my Fuego 2500 line lay. The line is stacks up high. Now, I have the extra spacers that come with it but am having trouble getting the spool bearing off. It doesn’t seem to just slide up like the older models. Anyone have any experience with these newer LT’s? Someone enlighten me..

 

 

[Jcj90]

I think you put the spool washers directly on top of the bearing 

[wasabi_VA]

Mine arrived today, haven’t filled the spool yet. Subscribing cuz I heard this was gonna be an issue... 

I need to to go re-watch this video but in it the guy talks about that weird metal clip and also line lay

 

 

[DomQ]

There might be a e clip holding the bearing in place, you'll need a very tiny pick tool to remove it and be careful because it will go flying to another country if you arent.

[wasabi_VA]

Over lunch I ran home to fill my new Fuego LT 2500D-XH reel with line in advance of a smallie trip tomorrow. Sure enough I filled about half my spool before I noticed the uneven line lay. ****. Man that is freaking annoying. I'll have to un-spool and figure this extra washer thing out.

[Darren.]

Welcome aboard!

 

I was fortunate to have no issues with a Lexa 2000 with line lay.

And none of my Stradics needed any adjustments. Only spinning

reel I have that needed a spacer is the Pflueger Supreme.

 

As said above, try putting the spacer on top of the bearing. And def

be sure to watch the vid from Tackle Advisors above. He'll help.

[Delaware Valley Tackle]

The bearing needs to insert into the spool if I remember correctly. Therefore the spacer must go underneath. 

[wasabi_VA]

I just called Daiwa. The guy seemed familiar with this issue and said to look at a parts schematic and remove parts 6, 7 and 8 and stack the extra washers on top of part 9. I haven't looked at a schematic yet.

 

He did mention that part #7 is a bearing that can be hard to remove. It fits on a groove in the main shaft and to wiggle it back and forth to get it to come off.

 

I asked if there was anything special to get that hard part back on and he said no, it should all go back together easily.

 

OK - just looked at the schematic

he said #7 was the bearing, but looking at the schematic he must have meant part #8 is the bearing

[I/MBasser]

Seriously?!?  Is this an issue with all Fuego LTs?  I just ordered one and really don't want to have to "fix" a brand new real.  Additionally, if they know there is an issue why don't they fix it????  I've always used Shimanos but decided to give Daiwa a try.  This may be a short lived experiment...

 

EDIT: had to edit due to an abbreviation that isn't allowed.

[mini_gunter]

I finally got the bearing(part8) off last night.  Part 7 is a thin clearish washer that keeps the bearing from coming off when you remove the spool.  I used a pair of tweezers to grab it and just kept spinning and pulling until it came off.  Its not very rigid and i was thinking about just ripping or cutting it off if i had to.  The bearing came off easily after the washer was removed.  Now if i can just find the bag of washers i didn't put back in the reel box after my last attempt ?

[The Bassman]

Had the same issue with my 2500. Absolute pain to deal with. That tiny nylon washer is almost impossible to remove. For all the good things I've said about these reels this issue is a real nuisance.

[wasabi_VA]

Just finished almost 2 hours of futzing around with this new 2500D-XH. I removed the original line I spooled up as it was bunched at the top and was able to remove the little washer 7 and bearing 8 after a moderate amount of annoyance.

 

I added one line lay washer but noted the inner diameter of the washer seemed a bit too tight for the shaft causing it to pucker up a bit and not lay perfectly flat. I respooled half way and it was still uneven, so repeat everything to get a second washer installed. This 2nd washer also fit tight and together both puckered washers wouldn’t allow the other washers/bearings to lay flat. I used a screwdriver to press down on them to eventually press them evenly flat. After 2 washers my line was spooling on flat.

 

During this annoying exercise I noticed the drag seems really, really tight across most of the range of the drag knob. Something doesn’t feel right. I inspected the drag, all looks good, a tacky grease evenly applied to all the steel and felt washers. 

[Marek]

Hi!

Cut the washer on one side and slide it under the bearing. Use pliers or tweezers, it will be easier to hold the washer. You need to use light force, but the washer will fit beautifully and the reel winds the line nicely. 10 min job.

Cheers!

 

Marek (Poland)

[Randy Price]

I had this same problem so I took it back and bought a Shimano.

[Hammer 4]

A easy way to correct the uneven line lay is to remove the spool, on top of the bearing there is that pesky little plastic washer, just cut it carefully and remove it. It's only there to prevent the bearing from sliding off If you turn the reel upside down with the spool Off..Add a washer/washers as needed. Once the spool is on, the bearing will stay in place.

Easy fix, takes about 5 mins or less.

[michael1]

Is this issue on "all" the Fuego LT spinning reels or just the 2500 size?

[Hammer 4]

8 minutes ago, michael1 said:

Is this issue on "all" the Fuego LT spinning reels or just the 2500 size?

Not sure, some guys have to add or subtract a washer. Either way is so easy and takes all of 30 seconds to do, minus taking the spool off. Hopefully Diawa has corrected it. 

[Tywithay]

Daiwa spinning reels shouldn't have a perfectly flat line lay. It should taper down from the top. That's how ABS works. 

[Big Hands]

On 5/19/2020 at 6:27 AM, Tywithay said:

Daiwa spinning reels shouldn't have a perfectly flat line lay. It should taper down from the top. That's how ABS works. 

I dug into this a little bit, and it appears that this may or may not be the design intent.

 

Daiwa has a Glossary for their fishing reel features, and it states:

 

ABS Spools:

"ABS spools have a large arbor diameter that gets larger towards the top of the spool.  This prevents  any "cones" during winding of the line. This means the line is kept from unraveling in big loops and  thus prevents the twisting of the line. Thanks to this system, longer smoother casts are possible."   Then I see this on different forums:

 

 

 

 

So, it appears to be as clear as mud.

 

I would entertain the idea that they really do intend the line to be wound so that it mimics that taper of the spool, it's just that they haven't made it crystal clear that this is the intent of the design. 

 

I suspect that they include the extra washers for two reasons.

 

1) So that users can adjust their line lay to be what they intended it to be (whatever that is).

 

2) So that users can adjust the line lay to suit their own ideas about how it should be.

 

Whatever the case may be regarding design intent (or marketing mumbo-jumbo), and what actually works best, they do include the washers that allow the user to make theirs suit their taste. Much like their "zero adjuster" technology on some of their baitcasters, they still allow for users to adjust it to their liking even though the intent is that it was adjusted correctly at the factory and you shouldn't have to touch it. 

 

Fancy stuff comes with fancy issues.

Edited August 14, 2020 by Big Hands
typo

[5/0]

Thought about Daiwa for a new spinning reel. Found this thread and read through it.

Hours spent spooling, unspooling, and respooling. Then hours spent in research. All this so you could spool a brand new reel! I think I’ll stick with Shimano!

[LCG]

2 hours ago, 5/0 said:

Thought about Daiwa for a new spinning reel. Found this thread and read through it.

Hours spent spooling, unspooling, and respooling. Then hours spent in research. All this so you could spool a brand new reel! I think I’ll stick with Shimano!

I debated between the Daiwa Tatula LT and the Shimano Stradic FL. Saw a lot of threads about this line lay issue and a few others issues hear and there about stem flex. Went with the Stradic FL, perfect line lay and very smooth drag. No regrets at all. 

[Tywithay]

11 hours ago, Big Hands said:

I dug into this a little bit, and it appears that this may or may not be the design intent.

 

Daiwa has a Glossary for their fishing reel features, and it states:

 

ABS Spools:

"ABS spools have a large arbor diameter that gets larger towards the top of the spool.  This prevents  any "cones" during winding of the line. This means the line is kept from unraveling in big loops and  thus prevents the twisting of the line. Thanks to this system, longer smoother casts are possible."   Then I see this on different forums:

 

 

 

 

So, it appears to be as clear as mud.

 

I would entertain the idea that they really do intend the line to be wound so that it mimics that taper of the spool, it's just that they haven't made it crystal clear that this is the intent of the design. 

 

I suspect that they include the extra washers for two reasons.

 

1) So that users can adjust their line lay to be what they intended it to be (whatever that is).

 

2) So that users can adjust the line lay to suit their own ideas about how it should be.

 

Whatever the case may be regarding design intent (or marketing mumbo-jumbo), and what actually works best, they do include the washers that allow the user to make theirs suit their taste. Much like their "zero adjuster" technology on some of their baitcasters, they still allow for users to adjust it to their liking even though the intent is that it was adjusted correctly at the factory and you shouldn't have to touch it. 

 

Fancy stuff comes with fancy issues.

To add to the tapered spool design, Daiwa also uses a cross wrap oscillation. It lays the line in an X pattern, rather than one strand on top of one another. It's supposed to help braid from digging in. Just another thing that may or may not help with function, but doesn't look.as pretty as other manufacturer's perfectly even line lay. Gets a lot of folks on forums talking about how bad their reels are working, when really it's by design .

[thediscochef]

So I know that this thread is a year old but it saved me a whole bunch of time with my new Fuego - I couldn't figure out that dang retaining washer over the bearings and it was starting to get to me. Mine came with too many washers on it already so I had to remove some to get proper ABS line lay. Thanks very much to the people who spent the time figuring all this out!!! someone should buy you something sometime!