Hawkeye21 Posted March 12, 2019 Posted March 12, 2019 11 hours ago, flyfisher said: Just because they are fishing a tourney it gives you a right to ask someone to leave a spot? I guess I was raised differently because even thinking about asking a non tourney angler to move from any spot seems childish and extremely rude to me. Now if you are talking about tourney anglers i know there are unwritten rules and the like but that is a different scenario entirely. We all have the right to ask someone that question. Whether we think it's extremely rude or not is a different story. I would never do it but if someone fishing a big tourney asked me politely I would be happy to help them out.
Smokinal Posted March 12, 2019 Posted March 12, 2019 It's called having a little class, respect and integrity. Does the lake belong to everyone? Sure it does Do those kids have every right to go fish that spot? Absolutely Was that a classless act on the water? In my eyes, yes If those kids are just local boys out fishing, then they have that lake for another 364 days out of the year. Personally, I'd never roll up on a spot I saw a pro fishing in a tourney of that magnitude. I believe they knew exactly what they were doing and not just passing by and thought to stop there. Just my opinion folks 1 1
Super User geo g Posted March 12, 2019 Super User Posted March 12, 2019 These guys are in it for a living to put food on the table. Most are struggling to make it. Don't poach their spots during the tournament. After the tx everything is free game. Is it legal, yes. Is it ethical, no. Enjoy watching them, and don't make their day harder! 1
RSmall Posted March 12, 2019 Posted March 12, 2019 Does anyone have a link to video of what happened so we can see the encounter? 1
Mn_Moose Posted March 12, 2019 Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, RSmall said: Does anyone have a link to video of what happened so we can see the encounter? Took me a while to find it. Look for the 5:48 spot near the end. Brian Latimer seemed to handle it as best could be expected. The strongest thing he said to the teens was, "not cool guys" 2
Super User MN Fisher Posted March 12, 2019 Super User Posted March 12, 2019 Watched the vid - much ado about nothing. 2
Super User Choporoz Posted March 12, 2019 Super User Posted March 12, 2019 "Worst thing you can do in this sport is go behind some who is catching fish" LOL He LEFT 'his spot'....forgot to build a wall, I guess...but his losing two good bites isn't the reason for not winning, I suppose.
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted March 12, 2019 Super User Posted March 12, 2019 Well now that I have seen it. Did he think they were going to catch all of "his" fish? They moved right along when he got to "his" spot. If he would have popped off "not cool" to me like that then we would have been fishing side by side. Reminds me of the people at the casino who play a machine and as soon as they get up if you happen to sit down and hit something they think you stole "their" machine. In my opinion he is the one who was "not cool" in this instance by thinking it was "his" spot. If he left "his" spot then where did he go? I'm assuming one of "his" other spots. How many spots on the lake are "his"? Is there a map of Brian Latimer designated fishing "spots"? 1
Glaucus Posted March 12, 2019 Posted March 12, 2019 Pool is my second hobby. There's an unspoken rule that you don't walk into the vision of a person who is down on the table getting ready to shoot. Even the random bar people who don't play pool know this. It's a respect thing. An honor thing. Same with fishing. You know the unspoken rules. By all means everyone has access to the public water and the pros don't actually own any spots. But come on, be a normal, respectful person. Don't be a jerk.
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted March 12, 2019 Super User Posted March 12, 2019 Good thing I stay out of bars. Some pool shark would have probably broke a stick over my head.
Super User Tennessee Boy Posted March 12, 2019 Super User Posted March 12, 2019 Yeah, seeing it changes things. He moved off the spot and they took it. He came back and they let him have it. I think that was cool. A pro typically doesn't move off a spot if he's on fish. Personally, I'm not sure fishing behind a pro is a good strategy but to each his own.
OCdockskipper Posted March 12, 2019 Posted March 12, 2019 Not a whole lot said, but I think he could have approached it even better. Instead of thinking the worst of the kids, he could have pulled up next to them & said something like "This is a great spot, huh? I think you know I am in the tournament, would it be okay if I fished this area for the next 45 minutes, I need to catch 2 more decent fish to win". He could have even invited them to stick around near him and given a play by play to them. Yes it wasn't cool for the high school kids to do that, but Latimer would have created 2 fans for life had he approached them from the perspective that these guys could help him (by allowing him to move back in) as opposed to the fact that they were hurting him (by fishing the spot). 4
Glaucus Posted March 12, 2019 Posted March 12, 2019 29 minutes ago, jbsoonerfan said: Good thing I stay out of bars. Some pool shark would have probably broke a stick over my head. I've never seen anyone get violent on the table or on the water, in a physical way. I've seen shouting and such. Like B Lat said, you just become known as that person who has no respect out of principal.
Super User soflabasser Posted March 12, 2019 Super User Posted March 12, 2019 This subject reminds me why I do not care much for tournament bass fishing or invite people fishing with me who are too competitive in bass fishing. I will never leave a spot I am fishing since some ''pro'' or wannabe pro feels he is entitled to fish exactly where I am at. Besides harassing a fisherman is illegal in the state of Florida so a ''pro'' will be breaking the law if he decides to pull off this type of behavior. On 3/11/2019 at 2:14 PM, Dwight Hottle said: People need to treat other fisherman the same way they want to be treated. Sadly many tournament fishermen are too arrogant to understand this. Nobody owns public water yet these ''pros'' seem to think they are entitled to fish a spot in public water and a recreational fisherman has to leave if for the ''pro'' to fish it. Whoever is fishing a spot first stays there and if they leave then someone can go fish that spot if they want. They think they are above recreational bass fishermen, even though there are plenty of recreational bass fishermen with bigger PB's and overall better fishermen than many of those so called ''pro'' bass fishermen. You will be surprised how many talented bass fishermen do not care for tournament bass fishing and will never waste their time in a tournament since they rather catch lots of big bass the way and not deal with the petty egos involved in tournament bass fishing.
Super User soflabasser Posted March 12, 2019 Super User Posted March 12, 2019 On 3/11/2019 at 4:10 PM, Osprey39 said: I think you overestimate how many people care about professional bass fishing and are cognizant of what is going on with it. I know lots of people that fish for bass, even fish local tournaments but don't pay any attention to 'the pros'. There are plenty of talented bass fishermen who do not care for tournament bass fishing. Some people rather focus on trophy bass fishing and not deal with the drama that is well known in tournament bass fishing. Also many people enjoy multi species fishing and fishing will quickly get boring if all they did was bass fishing. 1
Super User MN Fisher Posted March 12, 2019 Super User Posted March 12, 2019 18 minutes ago, soflabasser said: This subject reminds me why I do not care much for tournament bass fishing or invite people fishing with me who are too competitive in bass fishing. I will never leave a spot I am fishing since some ''pro'' or wannabe pro feels he is entitled to fish exactly where I am at. Besides harassing a fisherman is illegal in the state of Florida so a ''pro'' will be breaking the law if he decides to pull off this type of behavior. Same in Minnesota - we've even had lakeshore home owners cited for harassing boat fishers because they were 'too close to my property'. 3 minutes ago, soflabasser said: There are plenty of talented bass fishermen who do not care for tournament bass fishing. Some people rather focus on trophy bass fishing and not deal with the drama that is well known in tournament bass fishing. Also many people enjoy multi species fishing and would quickly get bored if all they did was fish for little green fish that rarely weigh over 10 pounds. Trout and panfish are my other targets - eatin' fish. 1
Super User flyfisher Posted March 13, 2019 Super User Posted March 13, 2019 After watching the video i stand by my original thoughts that he was the one with the classes act here not those kids. He left a spot and they wanted to fish it, that is how it goes. I mean maybe it was their spot and they wanted to fish it earlier but he was already there so they waited. He could have taken the time to talk to them and I'd bet that they could have become his biggest fans. He lost two fish and was ticked and took it out on those kids really.
schplurg Posted March 13, 2019 Posted March 13, 2019 I take it on a case by case basis, depending on how the other guy is acting (in general situations in life). I normally start off cool. I was fishing off my dads dock once. There is a weekly bass tourney there - just a four hour shootout. I was just screwing around. It was almost dark (tourney is from 6-10 pm). They clearly saw me as they trolled near me. I was casting a popper. Sometimes I stop when I see tourney guys wanting to fish my dock but I didn't this time. One guy decided to cast directly on top of my bait. Like within one foot, and he knew it. I didn't say a word, I was shocked for a moment. Total *******. I shook my head and continued. He pulled in his bait and they trolled along. Ten seconds later I caught a nice bass and I let them know it - I was very excited, it was my first LMB ever. That was my first ever encounter with a tournament of any kind. It left a bad impression. Be polite or tick off. I don't care what your name is or how much you want to win. I'll be in that tourney this year and I'll remember what the guy looks like. Can't wait to beat him again I think Latimer could have been a little cooler, but he wasn't an ass about it.
Logan S Posted March 13, 2019 Posted March 13, 2019 Watched the vid, thanks for linking and giving the timestamp @Mn_Moose The HS anglers were likely fishing a tournament themselves...Two anglers and the 'coach' (adult in the driver seat) is the standard HS tournament format/look. The big question is...Were they planning on fishing that area anyway and yielded to Latimer until he moved off -OR- Were they trying to cash in (literally and figuratively) by locating the pro tournament leader (and perhaps others) and fishing his waters instead of relying on their own skills/experience/knowledge to succeed in their tournament??? One makes them look pretty respectable, the other makes them look awful. In reality, the only people that will really know the truth are those HS anglers and their coach. Latimer's comments about getting a reputation and that stuff leads me to believe he thought they were doing the latter...I don't know since I wasn't there, but I do know that Latimer has a reputation as one of the 'good guys' in the sport and isn't known as a high-drama person. I'd give him the benefit of the doubt for thinking there might have been 'other than honorable' intentions on the part of the other boat. No matter what though..."That's not cool," is hardly an outburst or something to hate a guy over. He said what was on his mind and didn't go overboard. 4
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted March 13, 2019 Super User Posted March 13, 2019 I guess I have to ask. Were these guys only in the wrong because he came back? What if he started catching them else where and never came back? Then this would be a non-issue. If the spot were so good, he should have stayed there. The more I think about it, the more I think he was the one in the wrong. These guys may have looked up to him and thought it would be "cool" to fish an area he had been fishing. On the other hand they may be locals and he was fishing "their" spot. Why ANYONE, Pro, Local or anyone else thinks any part of the lake is their spot is beyond me.
bassh8er Posted March 13, 2019 Posted March 13, 2019 I live in Nebraska and a lot of this doesn’t pertain to me with high dollar tourneys on my local lakes. Ar any rate, I do 99% of my fishing on the weekend and if I get to a spot first, I could give a sh** who was fishing it yesterday.
Super User TOXIC Posted March 13, 2019 Super User Posted March 13, 2019 I see it both ways but I have been involved with some Elite Series pros for a number of years. Many times a "pro" in a tournament will "run" a number of spots to find out which are producing (some at different times of the day) or sometimes will move off a spot to let it "cool down" or restock. Committing to one spot and sitting it all day normally isn't a very good or productive tournament strategy. That being said, none that I know would consider them to be "their" spots. Let's be clear, the only ones who tournament etiquette apply to (spot ownership) are others in the tournament, not the general public. That's why KVD could make a snide comment to Ike and Scott Martin could get upset at the other "tournament" angler who he felt moved in on his "spot". Same way with Gagliardi and the older dude in the NITRO except the guy in the NITRO was not in the tournament so he had no inclination or motivation to move (nor should he) and that's why Gagliardi stayed on the spot even though the other dude was being rude. So if you are not in the tournament you are not bound by the unwritten rules or common tournament etiquette that apply to those who are. Fish on if you so desire. Personally, I have moved off many a spot when any tournament angler moves in but that's me. It wasn't uncommon when I was guiding to have many many fishermen move in on me or even actually follow me around the lake since I had a pretty distinctive recognizable boat and they knew I was a guide.
Derek1 Posted March 13, 2019 Posted March 13, 2019 8 hours ago, jbsoonerfan said: I guess I have to ask. Were these guys only in the wrong because he came back? What if he started catching them else where and never came back? Then this would be a non-issue. If the spot were so good, he should have stayed there. The more I think about it, the more I think he was the one in the wrong. These guys may have looked up to him and thought it would be "cool" to fish an area he had been fishing. On the other hand they may be locals and he was fishing "their" spot. Why ANYONE, Pro, Local or anyone else thinks any part of the lake is their spot is beyond me. Yup, if he started catching somewhere somewhere else he could care less. But he didn’t. He didn’t go overboard by any means. But how is it not cool that someone decided to fish a empty stretch of water. You left get over it.
Super User soflabasser Posted March 13, 2019 Super User Posted March 13, 2019 13 hours ago, MN Fisher said: Same in Minnesota - we've even had lakeshore home owners cited for harassing boat fishers because they were 'too close to my property'. Trout and panfish are my other targets - eatin' fish. Not surprised that happens in Minnesota, and it seems to happen more often these days with the increasing population. Trout are fun to catch and I also enjoy fishing for panfish, especially big bluegills on light tackle. Those little fish are pound for pound much stronger than a bass of equal size.
RichF Posted March 13, 2019 Posted March 13, 2019 My guess is most of these comments are coming from guys who don't fish tournaments.
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