Super User Dwight Hottle Posted March 11, 2019 Super User Posted March 11, 2019 First of all let's put in perspective. A pro, a tournament angler or a fun fisherman are all created equal in my eyes. Color, education, experience, wealth & ability do not matter. Treat them all the same. The pro or tournament angler does not deserve any more respect or have any more rights than the recreational angler. Water rights revolve around first come first serve. First guy in a spot with limited access has the right to fish it without unwanted encroachment from others. Once he gives up a spot it is fair game for anyone else to occupy it. The only correct way to encroach or share a spot is if you ask for permission to do so and it is granted. People need to treat other fisherman the same way they want to be treated. If someone doesn't want to play by the rules call them out. Let them know if they are in the wrong. Many newer fisherman don't know what is acceptable behavior on the water. If you feel uncomfortable standing up for your rights it is your choice. Circumstances differ based on the situation and your own personal safety. 12
Rip_lipz Posted March 11, 2019 Author Posted March 11, 2019 1 minute ago, Dwight Hottle said: First of all let's put in perspective. A pro, a tournament angler or a fun fisherman are all created equal in my eyes. Color, education, experience, wealth & ability do not matter. Treat them all the same. The pro or tournament angler does not deserve any more respect or have any more rights than the recreational angler. Water rights revolve around first come first serve. First guy in a spot with limited access has the right to fish it without unwanted encroachment from others. Once he gives up a spot it is fair game for anyone else to occupy it. The only correct way to encroach or share a spot is if you ask for permission to do so and it is granted. People need to treat other fisherman the same way they want to be treated. If someone doesn't want to play by the rules call them out. Let them know if they are in the wrong. Many newer fisherman don't know what is acceptable behavior on the water. If you feel uncomfortable standing up for your rights it is your choice. Circumstances differ based on the situation and your own personal safety. well said Dwight wish every angler I ran into had your insight! 1
Global Moderator 12poundbass Posted March 11, 2019 Global Moderator Posted March 11, 2019 1 hour ago, J.Vincent said: 43 minutes ago, TOXIC said: HA!! It would be low hanging fruit if it were Mike. He gives sooo many fodder for the bad feelings. No, not worth rehashing the incident here. Unless I'm having beers with someone and the stories start, I'm not going to spill it on social media. I will give you a hint, there's an online blog out of Michigan that covered the story and backed it up with pictures, interviews and film. They had to fend off the pro's attorney with their own to get them to back down. I guess that reference wasn’t subtle enough. I figured it would fly over many heads. I’m an Ike fan it’s no secret and I laugh every time I see that video of those two. 1 hour ago, J.Vincent said: 43 minutes ago, TOXIC said: HA!! It would be low hanging fruit if it were Mike. He gives sooo many fodder for the bad feelings. No, not worth rehashing the incident here. Unless I'm having beers with someone and the stories start, I'm not going to spill it on social media. I will give you a hint, there's an online blog out of Michigan that covered the story and backed it up with pictures, interviews and film. They had to fend off the pro's attorney with their own to get them to back down. I guess that reference wasn’t subtle enough. I figured it would fly over many heads. I’m an Ike fan it’s no secret and I laugh every time I see that video of those two. 1
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted March 11, 2019 Super User Posted March 11, 2019 I've been out in the boat fishing a bank heading North and maybe 15-20 yards off the bank, and another boat comes from the South about the same distance off the bank and before I even get close to them I will start moving away from the bank to show them I am letting them have it. No fishing spot is worth me getting my blood pressure up over. However, if someone ran up on me and told me I was in their "spot", my blood pressure would get high. 3
GReb Posted March 11, 2019 Posted March 11, 2019 So you think it’s ok for me to take a fishing trip to the Tennessee River this weekend? Go rub elbows with big boys? Maybe duck into the leader’s honey hole early Sunday morning before sunrise. That doesnt sound disrepectfull at all? To the community? The city organizers and coordinators? The sponsors? The fisherman trying to win a life changing event? 2
Super User MN Fisher Posted March 11, 2019 Super User Posted March 11, 2019 1 minute ago, GReb said: So you think it’s ok for me to take a fishing trip to the Tennessee River this weekend? Go rub elbows with big boys? Maybe duck into the leader’s honey hole early Sunday morning before sunrise. That doesnt sound disrepectfull at all? To the community? The city organizers and coordinators? The sponsors? The fisherman trying to win a life changing event? If you go with the intention of nudging into someone else's 'spot'...then yes, that's disrespectful. I go out when I can...where I can. I don't watch or even pay attention to when/where tournaments are being held. So if I'm on someone's spot, it's totally unintentional and I can not be blamed for that. That's the difference...being there on purpose knowing a tournament is being held, and being there accidentally because you had no idea there was a tournament going on. 1
Heartland Posted March 11, 2019 Posted March 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, GReb said: So you think it’s ok for me to take a fishing trip to the Tennessee River this weekend? Go rub elbows with big boys? Maybe duck into the leader’s honey hole early Sunday morning before sunrise. That doesnt sound disrepectfull at all? To the community? The city organizers and coordinators? The sponsors? The fisherman trying to win a life changing event? Well, I guess you could think about it another way. He is a guest in Tennessee, and technically he is probably fishing someone else's honey hole. I would not do it, and don't condone it, but if it happened, what could be done about it?
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted March 11, 2019 Super User Posted March 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, GReb said: So you think it’s ok for me to take a fishing trip to the Tennessee River this weekend? Go rub elbows with big boys? Maybe duck into the leader’s honey hole early Sunday morning before sunrise. That doesnt sound disrepectfull at all? To the community? The city organizers and coordinators? The sponsors? The fisherman trying to win a life changing event? I wouldn't do it, but if someone else's chooses to, then that is their decision. No one own's a spot on the lake, I don't care who you are.
Osprey39 Posted March 11, 2019 Posted March 11, 2019 8 hours ago, Rip_lipz said: I find it insane that someone would do that during a huge national tournament. At least let them weight in before you go jump on that spot. I wouldn't want my face broadcasted all over the TV. If they are local kids I'm sure they'll get a whole lot of backlash from local anglers. I think you overestimate how many people care about professional bass fishing and are cognizant of what is going on with it. I know lots of people that fish for bass, even fish local tournaments but don't pay any attention to 'the pros'. I'm not one of them, I absolutely love MLF but a lot of folks don't give a d**n and that's just among bass fishermen. If you look at the population of the country as a whole, very few people follow professional bass fishing. 2
Super User MN Fisher Posted March 11, 2019 Super User Posted March 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, Osprey39 said: I think you overestimate how many people care about professional bass fishing and are cognizant of what is going on with it. Only way I know there's a tournament happening is that I see posts on it here. Personally - watching a Bass Tourney is as exciting as watching a Golf Tourney...I.E. Snooze Fest. 3
Global Moderator TnRiver46 Posted March 11, 2019 Global Moderator Posted March 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Rip_lipz said: well said Dwight wish every angler I ran into had your insight! Im going out on a limb and saying @Dwight Hottle has vast experience on waters of all kinds, allowing him to always understand the best plan of action in these situations 1 hour ago, GReb said: So you think it’s ok for me to take a fishing trip to the Tennessee River this weekend? Go rub elbows with big boys? Maybe duck into the leader’s honey hole early Sunday morning before sunrise. That doesnt sound disrepectfull at all? To the community? The city organizers and coordinators? The sponsors? The fisherman trying to win a life changing event? Lord willing and the creek don't rise, I'm typically on the Tennessee river almost daily sooooooo...... Yeah I'll probably be out there. I probably won't fish for bass and won't get anywhere near a pro, unless of course they zip by me over and over like yesterday. I think it will be cool to be on the water with them and I will have to try a crappie white bass or catfish while in the down times 1 1
Super User WRB Posted March 11, 2019 Super User Posted March 11, 2019 The flotilla of spectator boats during a major tournament event is part of bass fishing that every pro has learned to deal with. Today with GPS good isolated structure the pros discover soon become community holes. When to leave a spot and run to another or stay and protect the spot are decisions each angler must make knowing when they leave another boat will take over the spot is a fact that happens every tournament. Tom
Super User Gundog Posted March 11, 2019 Super User Posted March 11, 2019 I have a problem with "assuming" the kids knew he was coming back or even that he had been fishing in that location. I didn't see the video in question but just by reading the OP post it sounds like there is some doubt about those allegations. I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the kids. As I hope anybody would to me if I was fishing in a spot they believed belonged to them. 1
K1500 Posted March 12, 2019 Posted March 12, 2019 I'm new to this but I don't really understand why anyone (regardless of why they are on the water) feels they have the exclusive right to a spot. To me it seems first person there has the right to a spot until they vacate it, then it is free game to the next person. Just because you wear a jersey and have 25 different logos on your boat doesn't change anything in that regard. Common courtesy suggests that you don't encroach on someone who is already there, the same as with a hunting spot. Why a guy from out of town using public resources to earn big bucks feels more entitled to a spot than a local who fishes the lake every weekend is perplexing. I guess in some people's eyes the money is what makes the difference. i would think that we are all out there to catch fish. A pro ought to have enough spots that they shouldn't have to run a local off of a spot the local has likely fished for years. 1
Super User Columbia Craw Posted March 12, 2019 Super User Posted March 12, 2019 Who the heck is B. Lat ???
thedilettantedad Posted March 12, 2019 Posted March 12, 2019 30 minutes ago, Columbia Craw said: Who the heck is B. Lat ??? 100K richer. 2
Super User jbsoonerfan Posted March 12, 2019 Super User Posted March 12, 2019 32 minutes ago, Columbia Craw said: Who the heck is B. Lat ??? Not sure, I thought it might be a muscle in the human body. "Today, @A-Jay will be working on his B Lats" LOL 5
Super User MIbassyaker Posted March 12, 2019 Super User Posted March 12, 2019 53 minutes ago, Columbia Craw said: Who the heck is B. Lat ??? Brian Latimer https://www.flwfishing.com/news/2019-03-10-b-lat-becomes-a-champion
Obi_Wan Posted March 12, 2019 Posted March 12, 2019 Pros don't own a spot. Public waters are public unless closed for the event. It shows poor judgement to purposely "poach" a spot from someone else. However, I've fished some tournaments in my time and I've never seen a sign that says "This is Obi Wan's spot, don't fish here". I wouldn't fish a spot that I knew someone else had scouted. If I didn't know, I might go to a spot, but only because it was a good spot. Most non-tourney fishermen will not know and some of the tourney fishermen will not know that this is "his" spot. Also, there is a reason they draw for take off spots. There is a reason people buy fast boats. See who gets to the honey hole first. If he was on the spot and they moved in, its bad form. If he left it and they just happened to move in there, no fault on them. If they watched him fish it and truly thought he wasn't coming back, no fault on them. I would avoid a lake if I knew a big tournament was on it. However, if I'm there and I'm fishing, then I'm fishing and its my spot. I don't owe a thing to a pro. If they asked nicely, I would probably move on or back off and let them know I'm going to go back to fishing it when they pass through. If they aren't nice about it, I might drop anchor and go for a swim. They are not more important than me or anyone else recreational fishing on public waters. 3
Super User flyfisher Posted March 12, 2019 Super User Posted March 12, 2019 12 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said: Absolutely nothing wrong with politely asking someone to move if you're in a tourney. If they tell someone to move then I have a major issue with it. All it takes is a simple explanation as to why you'd like them to move and if they don't want to then just move along. Anyone that fishes in tourneys or watches them on TV should be understanding enough. Just because they are fishing a tourney it gives you a right to ask someone to leave a spot? I guess I was raised differently because even thinking about asking a non tourney angler to move from any spot seems childish and extremely rude to me. Now if you are talking about tourney anglers i know there are unwritten rules and the like but that is a different scenario entirely. 3
Super User A-Jay Posted March 12, 2019 Super User Posted March 12, 2019 2 hours ago, jbsoonerfan said: Not sure, I thought it might be a muscle in the human body. "Today, @A-Jay will be working on his B Lats" LOL That's funny ~ I'm choosing to stay out of this one. Overreacting to the exaggerated importance of a benign event seems like drama. Not my style. A-Jay 3
BassResource.com Administrator Glenn Posted March 12, 2019 BassResource.com Administrator Posted March 12, 2019 Let's just reset things a bit - fishing is supposed to be FUN! So let's keep it in perspective, and keep yer eye on the ball. 5
Rip_lipz Posted March 12, 2019 Author Posted March 12, 2019 Thanks everyone for their response, I did not mean for the post to become "drama", as a new tournament angler I was curious on how these things work. The best way I knew how was to give a scenario. I don't come from a fishing background I started myself on it. All this information was soaked in. Thanks again to the Vet anglers that chimed in. Tight lines.
Super User Oregon Native Posted March 12, 2019 Super User Posted March 12, 2019 So many different opinions....so many different people on the water now than before. High school tourneys...college tourneys and the many others. Also this ol world has changed with the invention of the cell phone and the GPS's. People are in a hurry and it's more of a me...me...me attitude out there. Ol fashioned values....well....I guess are Old Fashioned....I mean how many people really love and respect others. Like Glenn says....fishing should be fun. And ya know what .... some lakes even have more than one spot.....OH Yeah..
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