Thank You New York!

[roadwarrior]

A portion of the 25,000 jobs you did not want are coming to Nashville.  No smokestacks or discharge and

an average salary of $150,000 per employee.  For those with a spouse who also works for Amazon, that's

$300k and no state income tax. A family can live large in Tennessee on that amount of money.  

 

In addition to direct pay, all these people will need some place to live and it's mandatory to have boots, a

cowboy hat and pick-up truck.  The multiplier is staggering and  the economic boost for this state will be very

significant. When you said no, we replied with a resounding YES! 

 

Thank you!

 

 

[Gundog]

  Wish they would build a plant like that in PA. We need the jobs and aren't that far from NYC. 

[J Francho]

You're deluded if you think that the average worker will be paid an average of $150k.  Most of their employees are low paid warehouse workers.  And no, I don't think we needed to pay them $3 billion to build here.

35 minutes ago, Gundog said:

  Wish they would build a plant like that in PA. We need the jobs and aren't that far from NYC. 

You already have a hub on the other side of the state, in Pittsburgh.

[TnRiver46]

I think it costs $150,000 for a hotel room and a chicken parmesan in Nashville

[roadwarrior]

27 minutes ago, J Francho said:

You're deluded if you think that the average worker will be paid an average of $150k.  Most of their employees are low paid warehouse workers.  And no, I don't think we needed to pay them $3 billion to build here.

You already have a hub on the other side of the state, in Pittsburgh.

Well, that was the posted number for the 5000 jobs associated with the announcement a few months ago:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/13/amazon-will-pay-hq2-employees-150000-dollars-that-goes-further-in-nashville.html

[Gundog]

1 hour ago, J Francho said:

 

You already have a hub on the other side of the state, in Pittsburgh.

Too long of a commute for my little Ford (out of) Focus. I was hoping Elon Musk would build one of those 'lectric car plants in my neck of the woods. I hear he's a genius/nutjob. Just like me. 

[J Francho]

1 hour ago, roadwarrior said:

Well, that was the posted number for the 5000 jobs associated with the announcement a few months ago:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/13/amazon-will-pay-hq2-employees-150000-dollars-that-goes-further-in-nashville.html

So you really think that is still accurate?  They still have plans to add jobs in NY, mainly around fashion and advertising, which makes sense.  Balking at $3 billion in grants tells me all I need to know about what the company thinks of the communities they are in.

[deaknh03]

No chance in hell the average worker will make 150k. Avg wage means the higher paid guys are making tons bringing up the average. Median pay would be better gauge, I'm betting that's closer to 60k. As far as having the hq near me...pass. 

[CrankFate]

All I’m saying is, Amazon must know that a NY or NJ deal, based on free Sanctuary City money, would anger the majority of its customers. That’s what killed the deal, IMO. 

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Removed political statement.

[greentrout]

 

[Gundog]

Here is what I can tell you from living in the Coal Region of PA. Its better to have a job then to not have a job. NAFTA left a lot of people unemployed in my area. So many people, including my father, worked in jobs that NAFTA killed. The Coal Region had to rebuild for a new economy twice. Once when coal use declined and oil became the prominent source of heating fuel and again after NAFTA. It wasn't just big businesses that suffered. It was the Mom & Pop shops that closed as well. 25,000 jobs is not the actual total. Its closer to 50,000 when you look at all the people that would have been employed by all the businesses around the factory or hub. They were going to need electricians and plumbers and skilled tradesmen and women to keep a hub running. All the small businesses in the area lost out on having more customers.  Its a huge loss for the Queens area but as @roadwarrior said, its Tennessee's gain. 

 

Just wanted to add this. Who cares what the jobs payed? They are jobs. Even if teenagers work them, they still provide income. That's what an economy is all about. Some low paying jobs, some high paying jobs and some middle income jobs. Think about that during your next dining experience at McDonalds or Burger King. 

[greentrout]

tons of folks happy to work for amazon and make 40k with benefits in mississippi ... 

[Tennessee Boy]

If you’re moving to Nashville to work at Amazon you’ll need a place to live.  Here’s a 1 bedroom 798 square foot condo for only $530,000.  It’s close enough to the new Amazon building that you can walk to work which is important because traffic in the area makes it impossible to drive there.

 

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1212-Laurel-St-Apt-509_Nashville_TN_37203_M84291-03775

 

[12poundbass]

1 hour ago, Tennessee Boy said:

If you’re moving to Nashville to work at Amazon you’ll need a place to live.  Here’s a 1 bedroom 798 square foot condo for only $530,000.  It’s close enough to the new Amazon building that you can walk to work which is important because traffic in the area makes it impossible to drive there.

 

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1212-Laurel-St-Apt-509_Nashville_TN_37203_M84291-03775

 

Yikes that sounds like NY! I’ll stick to my 3 bdr house on a private lake for under 150k . It’s crazy to see what the difference in pricing is. You take my house and move it 20-30 miles south and it’s 250 plus. Unbelievable. 

[MN Fisher]

19 minutes ago, 12poundbass said:

Yikes that sounds like NY! I’ll stick to my 3 bdr house on a private lake for under 150k . It’s crazy to see what the difference in pricing is. You take my house and move it 20-30 miles south and it’s 250 plus. Unbelievable. 

My neighborhood runs the gammit - my 2br place is 130k, two blocks away are lakeshore homes approaching 1million.

[mrpao]

Amazon will mainly offer lower paying jobs. But like most companies it will have to have a support group, therefore creating more jobs. It's a ripple effect.

At the end of the day, a low paying job is better than no job. 

 

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Removed political statement.

[Sam]

10 hours ago, greentrout said:

tons of folks happy to work for amazon and make 40k with benefits in mississippi ... 

Which is a lot better than in Alabama where the University of Alabama grads have that famous saying, "you want cheese with that?"

And by the way, how did we get into politics?

 

Isn't politics a no-no on the Forum?

 

 

[Glenn]

Guys - DO NOT post anything political here or you WILL be banned!

 

Comments have been removed.  No more warnings will be given. You'll just have a big bruise from my boot.

 

I will NOT tolerate political garbage on my site.

[J Francho]

On 2/15/2019 at 11:37 PM, 12poundbass said:

Yikes that sounds like NYC!

Fixed that for you.  Half a mil gets you this in my area:

 

https://www.trulia.com/p/ny/rochester/12-mountain-rd-rochester-ny-14625--1012580448

[roadwarrior]

Surprising...That seems reasonable to me. Based on the cost per square foot, we (TN) are comparable.

I was under the impression that NY prices were more like $250-$300 a foot on a postage stamp lot. As

 they say with real estate, it's all about location, location, location.

[deaknh03]

2 hours ago, J Francho said:

Fixed that for you.  Half a mil gets you this in my area:

 

https://www.trulia.com/p/ny/rochester/12-mountain-rd-rochester-ny-14625--1012580448

thats a lot of sq feet for that money. Around here you get about 3ooo sq for around 500k.

[Koz]

On 2/15/2019 at 9:28 AM, J Francho said:

You're deluded if you think that the average worker will be paid an average of $150k.  Most of their employees are low paid warehouse workers.  And no, I don't think we needed to pay them $3 billion to build here.

You already have a hub on the other side of the state, in Pittsburgh.

 

These were mainly executive level jobs managing North American and global operations.

 

Despite whatever grants and perks Amazon would have been given, it would have still brought in a ton of revenues across the board including income taxes, arts and entertainment, shopping, dining, and everything else that comes along with any sized business opening its doors.

[J Francho]

18 hours ago, Koz said:

it would have still brought in a ton of revenues across the board including income taxes

$3 billion in state income tax?  That's a stretch.  That's how much they were promised in grants.  Have at it Tennessee. 

[Koz]

54 minutes ago, J Francho said:

$3 billion in state income tax?  That's a stretch.  That's how much they were promised in grants.  Have at it Tennessee. 

 

I'm not sure why you're focusing on just the last part of my sentence.

 

Amazon was adding 25,000 jobs in NY at an average salary of $150k. That's an ANNUAL addition of $3,750,000,000 to the local economy that could have been spent on goods, services, and housing. Even if only half of that income is spent in the area it's still nearly a $2B boost to the annual economy. Governor Cuomo stated that Amazon would have brought in $30B to the local economy.

 

So what NY did was give up $3B of nothing to get nothing. AOC was out there saying that she saved NY $3B which is a joke because tax breaks are not realized revenues.

 

I don't know what to say - it's not like a coal plant or nuclear waste site was being proposed here. Incetives are part of luring business. Here in SC both Boeing and BMW received substantial breaks and not only are those businesses and the local economy doing well but it also brought more companies and business travel to those areas.

[J Francho]

Meh, seems like this is treading political waters again.  I get that you need incentives to bring companies in.  What about companies that are already here?  Could that growth have been stimulated from within?  Most NYS business pay dearly, and receive little or no benefit.  Adding an Amazon HQ in NYC does very little to benefit me, or anyone eight hours downstate.  $150k sounds like a lot, but in NYC is not that much.  Drop HQ in Rochester, and I might sing a different tune.  Heck, I might even hand them my resume, lol.  NYC is doing fine.  Western NY needs help.  Does that make more sense, from my point of view?

21 hours ago, deaknh03 said:

thats a lot of sq feet for that money. Around here you get about 3ooo sq for around 500k.

You can figure in $10k per year in property taxes alone.