ned rig weight

[EGbassing]

On 2/8/2019 at 8:52 PM, punch said:

Yeah the regular shroomz heads are trash. The hooks either break or the plastic keeper breaks. Step up to the nedlockz or go custom made and pick the hooks you want. 

I used them for months and caught a lot of good sized bass in cover on them. Never had one bend or break at all. 

[punch]

On 2/9/2019 at 5:37 AM, smalljaw67 said:

 

Feeling the bottom with heavier heads isn't a bad thing at all nor is fishing the rig in cover. The issue is you aren't fishing a Ned rig, you are fishing a shaky head or jig worm and there is a big difference. Bluebasser86 is correct, it is a "no feel" presentation and while some of the standard retrieves for the rig require you make bottom contact, it is just barely on the bottom with a light weight, not digging or hugging the bottom. I know a lot of guys like weed guards but if you need a weed guard you are fishing the rig in areas where other techniques will work. I had some correspondence with Ned through email and he summed it up perfectly, if the fish is positioned in, or close to cover, a T-rigged worm or the heavier jig worms and even crankbaits will probably work. The reason for the rig is because of the waters the originators of the rig fish, they are often trying to coax bass, that are cruising in open water or suspended and not relating to anything, to bite and a jig worm is too heavy and moves to fast and a shaky head is too large to get these fish to bite. So using heavier heads to maintain contact with the bottom isn't wrong, it is just a different technique, you are fishing a jig worm and calling it a Ned rig.

These are all fair points. I am a shakey head guy so that's probably why I feel more comfortable/confident fishing heavier Ned heads and TRDs. 

[ChrisD46]

*Please consider getting your Ned Rig jig heads from Siebert Outdoors (Mike is a sponsor) : The Morel jig head (Siebert's  Ned mushroom jig head ) comes in colors you can't get any where else plus he uses quality name brand hooks in what I consider the correct sizes (#1/0 , #1  and #2) along with a quality  powder coated jig head ... Here is a breakdown on the three (3) Morel Jig Heads Siebert Outdoors offers :

 

*Morel XL : Uses a Owner 5313 Size #1/0 Hook ; ideal for the Big TRD or the Roboworm Ned Worm 4".

*Morel : Uses a Owner 5313 Size #1 Hook ; ideal for the standard TRD or the Roboworm Ned Worm 3"

*Morel Mini : Uses a Owner 5318 Size #2 Hook ; ideal for the standard TRD or the Roboworm Ned Worm 3"

*Beech : Uses a Eagle Claw "Lil' Nasty #2 hook : ideal for the standard TRD or the Roboworm Ned Worm 3"

 

Comments / Notes :

-There are a variety of weights offered in the Morel & Beech - I primarily use the 1/16th oz. and 3/32nd oz. weights.

-The standard Morel offers a more robust #1 size hook where you need to put more pressure on a bass to turn it fast.

- The "Morel Mini" with the standard Owner #2 size hook in 1/16th oz. is a great starting point .

- Don't over look the "Beech" series with the "Lil' Nasty" #2 hook , 1/16th oz. preferred by many Mid - West Ned guys .

- You may need to contact Mike regarding the "Beech" series availability (per order basis) ; well worth it though !

- Black & Green Pumpkin are great starting colors for the Morel & Beech jig heads.

- After the spawn , try your favorite Morel jig head size in red color ... Shin Fukae (Bass Elite Tour) endorses highly . 

- All Morel jig heads work with all TRD baits (stick bait  , craws , shads , leeches , etc.)

- A dot of super glue gel on the back of the jig head will secure your soft plastic all day long (or until you lose it) .

 

Lastly , attention to detail with consistent powder coated jig heads with even paint coverage and no paint in the hook eyes for all the Morel and Beech jig heads I have ever ordered from Siebert Outdoors ... Great value jig head from a company that focuses on  it's customers - give the Morel & Beech Ned Rig jig heads a try , I'm sure your will be just as pleased as I have been !

 

[Steve S]

Have found a great jig for Ned rigging called the Berkley Half Head Jig. The 1/16 comes in packs of 8 and can be found on sportsman’s warehouse for only $3.19 where other places charge $3.99. These are the best value/amazing quality I have been able to find for a Ned jig. The bait keeper is mediocre but I always use a dot of super glue on any Ned rig to keep the plastic on always. The hook feels very strong and have never lost a fish to a bent out hook (I fish using a Med light with 15lb braid to 8lb mono leader). Hope this helps anyone looking for hooks to try 

[Jermination]

Ah i don't know how i missed out on this post. Always have a ned on my front deck, pretty much all i throw are the 1/5 oz nedlockz. Given the majority of the time I am fishing the ned in 20-30' with some wind and you'll never find bottom. I agree with @punch on his style, it is by far the most effective way in my local waters. Now if you are around some brush or shallow water, i think downsizing to the 1/10th is fair to help reduce hang ups. If you are worried about losing Neds you should consider throwing something else, it's just part of the game. 

[Finessegenics]

The Midwest guys know what they’re talking about. I hate to be that person but if it’s heavier than 1/10 oz it is no longer a ned rig. Doesn’t mean that using a heavy weight is wrong, there’s just a time and place for everything. If you can drag a heavier ned rig on the bottom, a tube of the same weight or a shaky head will probably work just as well. I understand the temptation of using a heavy weight, since it sticks to bottom and we can “feel” everything. Of course a heavy weight still works, I think the fact that a TRD floats straight up is what is so attractive to fish. 
 

My favorite way of fishing a finesse TRD is by Texas rigging it with a size 1 EWG and inserting a 1/32 neko nail weight in the other end of the bait. Different fall and super finesse, a lot of my hits come when the bait is suspending, since it takes a while to sink.

Here’s a YouTube playlist of 5 different ways the ned rig can be fished. Whether you use a heavy weight or not! 

 

[Jermination]

24 minutes ago, Finessegenics said:

The Midwest guys know what they’re talking about. I hate to be that person but if it’s heavier than 1/10 oz it is no longer a ned rig. Doesn’t mean that using a heavy weight is wrong, there’s just a time and place for everything. If you can drag a heavier ned rig on the bottom, a tube of the same weight or a shaky head will probably work just as well. I understand the temptation of using a heavy weight, since it sticks to bottom and we can “feel” everything. Of course a heavy weight still works, I think the fact that a TRD floats straight up is what is so attractive to fish. 
 

My favorite way of fishing a finesse TRD is by Texas rigging it with a size 1 EWG and inserting a 1/32 neko nail weight in the other end of the bait. Different fall and super finesse, a lot of my hits come when the bait is suspending, since it takes a while to sink.

Here’s a YouTube playlist of 5 different ways the ned rig can be fished. Whether you use a heavy weight or not! 

 

Not sure what you mean by heavier than 1/10oz is not a ned rig. A 1/5 oz sits the same on the bottom of the lake as a 1/10 oz. Sure, your fall rate is slower but like you said it's the zman elaztech that makes it stand up right. I'm usually targeting fish that are relating to the bottom, so i want to get down there to the exact spot i'm marking the fish as quickly as possible. Pitching a ned around docks targeting lingering largemouth is completely different, and i agree that you should use a lighter weight 

[padon]

you guys are talking about 2 different things.they both work.if you do a lot of research and reading on ned and his rig he does say that the true technique never uses over a 1/10 head and doesn't have alof of bottom contact. the lure hits bottom sometimes but doesn't stay there long. ned is not overly concerned with the bait standing upright on bottom, he likes the elaztech material because of its buoyancy while swimming. however it is true that a trd on a heavier head dragged on bottom will catch a lot of fish but its not true ned rig fishing as he defines it.

[Lead Head]

What has helped me as far as ned rigs go is separating the "ned rig" from the "ned technique". If someone says they are using a "ned rig" I know they mean a small plastic on a jig head. If it is 1/10th or less I think of it as the "ned technique" and if it is heavier I think of it as more of a bottom contact presentation (whatever you choose to call it). From what I can tell from reading and watching videos the "ned technique" (as I like to think of it) is more about fall and flutter, almost suspending the bait off the bottom.

 

Just the way I have started thinking of it to make sense of the way people with more experience and knowledge than me separate the weights of ned rigs. Feel free to correct me if I'm looking at it all wrong. 

 

I'll also mention that even in the muddy Arkansas river the lighter weights have been better for me.

[ChrisD46]

*Lots of Ned Head jigs  being introduced but for me I rule out most of them because the hooks are too large .

1/16th oz. Ned head with a #2 or #4 size hook is my go to . Any larger than say a #1 size hook in a Ned head jig is starting to get too large for my set up .

[Steve S]

On 2/26/2020 at 10:54 AM, Finessegenics said:

The Midwest guys know what they’re talking about. I hate to be that person but if it’s heavier than 1/10 oz it is no longer a ned rig. Doesn’t mean that using a heavy weight is wrong, there’s just a time and place for everything. If you can drag a heavier ned rig on the bottom, a tube of the same weight or a shaky head will probably work just as well. I understand the temptation of using a heavy weight, since it sticks to bottom and we can “feel” everything. Of course a heavy weight still works, I think the fact that a TRD floats straight up is what is so attractive to fish. 
 

My favorite way of fishing a finesse TRD is by Texas rigging it with a size 1 EWG and inserting a 1/32 neko nail weight in the other end of the bait. Different fall and super finesse, a lot of my hits come when the bait is suspending, since it takes a while to sink.

Here’s a YouTube playlist of 5 different ways the ned rig can be fished. Whether you use a heavy weight or not! 

 

great post!! The online outdoorsman channel on YouTube is awesome. Ethan has the best Ned rig how to and technique videos I’ve been able to find

[AdamT]

I’ve been using the Owner block heads in 1/16 and sometimes 1/8oz.

[Hawghead]

I fish the Ned a lot at Lake of the Ozarks in Missouri, lot of chunk rock on points...I find that if I go too heavy the ned rig heads do an amazing job of finding their way into tight places and wedge themselves in amongst rock and boulders and I spend a lot of time freeing them, so as others say I go as light as I can.  I tend to fish the ned rig really slowly which exacerbates the issue.