Clarify for me fishing a "spoon"

[jimmyjoe]

10 minutes ago, Catt said:

   Interesting that you say that lure. The only tailspinner I've ever used was a Little George. It caught me one fish. Only one. That was over twenty years ago, and I haven't used a tailspinner since. I think someone put the Tailspinner Curse on me.    jj

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[Catt]

7 hours ago, jimmyjoe said:

. I think someone put the Tailspinner Curse on me.    jj

 

If ya aint thrown one in over twenty years...that someone was you!

[TnRiver46]

8 hours ago, pauldconyers said:

I know a lot of times these a kind of baits are used in cold water situations but will they work year round?

Works year round 

7 hours ago, pauldconyers said:

I have always wondering why vertical jigging like this is done with spinning tackle and not a bait caster? I find it easier to haul a descent fish from aways down with a more powerful bait cast set up then spinning?

I use both. The advantage of spinning is the spoon will sink faster. Sometimes they like to eat them better when it sinks by them a million miles an hour. Other times they want the slow sinking bait, like a little Cleo

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21 hours ago, pauldconyers said:

I have always wondering why vertical jigging like this is done with spinning tackle and not a bait caster? I find it easier to haul a descent fish from aways down with a more powerful bait cast set up then spinning?

Either will work as long as you match the rod action to the resistance of the lure being jigged. I prefer casting gear, but will use either at times. There are spinning rods every bit as stout as BC ones, all be it not always in the LMB isle.

[pauldconyers]

With as heavy as a 3/4 oz would be does it still get much "flutter" as it falls or just drop like a stone?

[J Francho]

They flutter because there's more surface area.

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11 hours ago, pauldconyers said:

With as heavy as a 3/4 oz would be does it still get much "flutter" as it falls or just drop like a stone?

They flutter. We use spoons up to 6 oz for striped bass, and up to 24 oz for cod, and they flutter. You want to match the size and weight to the depth and current. I know it sounds counter intuitive, but heavier mono works best for this, you want a slight belly on the drop, and the resistance aids with the action. Now if you want to use a smaller spoon deep, braid with a leader works well.

[WRB]

The tail Colorado blade spins as the tail spinner fall through the water column, slowing the fall and giving the wobble action, it's not a flutter darting action like a spoon.

I made kite shaped tail spinner with a mini vinyl skirt back in the 70's that had a line through design. Still have a few but lost the mold about 25 years ago.

Can't get the mini skirts anymore and give up looking for the mold. 

Tom

[pauldconyers]

3/4 oz just seemed heavy to me but you guys know a lot more than I ever will so I guess I'll roll with it LOL

[J Francho]

It's what works.  If you want to buy all the sizes, go for it, and report back what you find.

[BassNJake]

In colder water I have better luck with smaller blade baits than spoons with little to no movement.

I have found stopping the lure just above the school works better than letting it fall directly into the school.

I like the quarter and half ounce sizes for blade baits.

 

[J Francho]

1 minute ago, BassNJake said:

In colder water I have better luck with smaller blade baits than spoons with little to no movement.

Interesting.  Last time I fished spoons in the cold, 38° temps on Erie, they were hitting spoons using 24-30" ripping strokes off the bottom.  As the sun got higher, drop shot baits worked better.  That was the day I caught my PB smallie.

[BassNJake]

50 minutes ago, J Francho said:

Interesting.  Last time I fished spoons in the cold, 38° temps on Erie, they were hitting spoons using 24-30" ripping strokes off the bottom.  As the sun got higher, drop shot baits worked better.  That was the day I caught my PB smallie.

Probably the difference in fishing for Smallmouth versus Largemouth

[pauldconyers]

Well I bought these 3 today. Weird thing is all 3 were in factory sealed packaging and one had a split ring on the top of the bait and the other two did not. I assume they are supposed to have one and I do not want to tie directly to the body of the lure, correct?

[CrankFate]

I hate spoons. I never throw spoons. The only thing spoons do is catch the wrong fish. If I throw a spoon for largemouths. Bam! Carp. If I throw a spoon to smallmouths. Bam!  Catfish. It never fails. And if I throw one at some far away place with big bass. Bam! Green Perch.

[Dorado]

1 hour ago, pauldconyers said:

Well I bought these 3 today. Weird thing is all 3 were in factory sealed packaging and one had a split ring on the top of the bait and the other two did not. I assume they are supposed to have one and I do not want to tie directly to the body of the lure, correct?

I wrote a question about this same issue in the “other species” forum regarding trout fishing a few months back. The older kastmaster spoons were not equipped with split rings. One day, the manufacturer made the smart switch to include them and there ya have it!

[J Francho]

Those don't look like Hopkins spoons

 

Kastmasters will catch. Any spoons I use, I add a split ring, and a swivel.  I tie off to the swivel.

 

Here's a Lil' Cleo with the split ring and swivel:

16 hours ago, BassNJake said:

Probably the difference in fishing for Smallmouth versus Largemouth

That makes sense.

[Dorado]

1 hour ago, J Francho said:

Those don't look like Hopkins spoons

 

Kastmasters will catch. Any spoons I use, I add a split ring, and a swivel.  I tie off to the swivel.

 

Here's a Lil' Cleo with the split ring and swivel:

That makes sense.

Does the swivel add more action when you attach it to the split ring? 

[J Francho]

1 hour ago, Dorado said:

Does the swivel add more action when you attach it to the split ring?

The swivel mitigates line twist.

[pauldconyers]

1 minute ago, J Francho said:

The swivel mitigates line twist.

Certainly makes sense. What size spilt ring and swivel would you recommend for me to grad? Again it is a 3/4 oz spoon.

[J Francho]

I'm not sure, I just grab whatever fits. 

[pauldconyers]

2 minutes ago, J Francho said:

I'm not sure, I just grab whatever fits. 

OK. Our of curiosity why did you remove the treble hook in favor of that style on this bait?

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50 minutes ago, J Francho said:

I'm not sure, I just grab whatever fits. 

That's how I mostly do it. Guys get mad at me cause they think I'm punking them when I say "I dunno, like this". 

I guess I need a spreadsheet...  

[Choporoz]

52 minutes ago, pauldconyers said:

OK. Our of curiosity why did you remove the treble hook in favor of that style on this bait?

What might be your top 2 guesses?

[J Francho]

50 minutes ago, pauldconyers said:

OK. Our of curiosity why did you remove the treble hook in favor of that style on this bait?

I use a single hook for trout fishing.  The mod isn't necessary for bass, though you can try it.  It doesn't affect hook ups.