Green Pumpkin Nemesis

[Arobb2012]

1 hour ago, MIbassyaker said:

 

For some reason, green flakes in my lake waters (usually pretty clear, or with light to moderate algae stain) seem to outperform any other flake color.  Is it really the fish, or is it just me?  I can't tell. But as long as I can't tell, may as well go with it.

I have the same situation in my lakes and rivers also. I think I might try out another "Magic" color plastic this year to see what the results are.

[fin]

37 minutes ago, KDW96 said:

Where would a guy be able to see the actual colors,other than color number? Zoom or ?

 

https://zoombait.com/colors/

 

It's better if you can find someone local that stocks a bunch of colors, sometimes that's the small mom & pop store, not the big box store. You might pay a little more, but it can be worth it. A lot of colors look good in a picture, but bad in person and vice versa. I like to be able to hold one up to the light.

[Munkin]

I spent 18 weeks in good old MO for the Army at FT. Leonard Wood and found that overall GP was the best color to use anywhere I went except one place. Mostly I fished the ponds on FLW but also fished LOZ, Meramec, and the Big Piney and the results were similar. Meramec was more stained than the other places so black w/red flake worked better but GP was #2. Overall my best colors/baits for the state were: Baby brush hogs= GP and watermelon candy, Senko= Natural shad, baby bass, and GP, Lizards= Zoom PB&J, tequila sunrise, and a Madman bait in Volcano.

 

I loved MO as there were so many places to fish and everyone with a house or doublewide trailer had a 2 acre bond in their yard. What I didn't like was the cottonmouth I ran into at one of my fishing holes.

 

Allen

[Sam]

52 minutes ago, KDW96 said:

Where would a guy be able to see the actual colors,other than color number? Zoom or ?

 

You will have to go on the Internet to a Zoom site or one of the tackle stores that sell the Zoom products.

 

Of course, with the warehouse 40 minutes away I can go and see all of the colors which is a lot of fun.

 

And you can copy the color number and description and go on a Google search to see what comes up.

 

Have fun!

[MO_TightLines]

I was looking at some GP Variants yesterday at our local Bass Pro and really liked the looks of two variants. GP with Blue Flake & Purple Flake really seemed to bring it alive.

Would you use the Blue Flake on clearer water and the Purple Flake on a little more stain as it seemed to darken the GP up somewhat?

[FCPhil]

Maybe the fish really are picky enough in you area to eat watermelon (a green) but not GP (a little darker green) but I think there is a more likely explanation. This gets me all time:

 

People are good at picking up on patterns, it is often how we learn. If we have a few fluke failures (no pun intended), on a lure, we assume it is a pattern, and not an unlikely series of flukes. Once we begin to be suspicious of a pattern though, we are conscious of it and then more readily recognize times that confirm our pattern than not. 

 

For example, I have lures I have tried just a few times and never caught a fish on. Since they didn’t work the first couple time, I feel like they don’t work on my waters. Whenever I pick them up, I’m not very confident on it, throw it some and if it catches, I say “it’s a fluke success”, if it doesn’t catch, I say “it’s a failure like I thought”. The truth is though, even when I fish my most productive lures, there are stretches of time they haven’t produced just as long of longer than the low confidence lure. But, since I initially gained confidence on it, I chalk up those bad stretches to tough conditions, not the lure. 

 

Im not saying your doing necessarily doing this, I’m just saying minds have a way of playing tricks on us.  

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11 hours ago, Sam said:

You will have to go on the Internet to a Zoom site or one of the tackle stores that sell the Zoom products.

 

Of course, with the warehouse 40 minutes away I can go and see all of the colors which is a lot of fun.

 

And you can copy the color number and description and go on a Google search to see what comes up.

 

Have fun!

Wait, the Zoom factory is near Richmond? How did I miss this?....

[fin]

14 minutes ago, reason said:

Wait, the Zoom factory is near Richmond? How did I miss this?....

They said warehouse, not factory. That caught my eye too.

 

Their website says they're based in Watkinsville, GA. Google says Bogart, GA, which is nearby. I noticed once on Amazon it said "Product of China". I just read a *** article called "Inside the Zoom Bait Company Factory" from 2010 that didn't say specifically where, but it mentioned Georgia. I also learned the name Zoom was the nickname of one of the factory workers named Zimmerman.

[TOXIC]

Ye old color debate

I can tell you that Yamamoto's #1 nationwide selling color is 297 Green Pumpkin Black Fleck.  Personally, I have fished that color from Canada to Florida in all water conditions and colors.  Normally it will produce everywhere.  For whatever reason you have developed a confidence color, that is the color you need to throw.  I have serious fishing friends who all fish Yamamoto pretty religiously and every one of them has a different confidence color.   It's my personal opinion that Yamamoto's 297 works in the biggest number of water colors and conditions.  Can you refine the color selection to the current conditions and do better than the 297.  You bet ......but most want a universal color that will work in the biggest number of situations.  

[MO_TightLines]

Just now, TOXIC said:

Ye old color debate

I can tell you that Yamamoto's #1 nationwide selling color is 297 Green Pumpkin Black Fleck.  Personally, I have fished that color from Canada to Florida in all water conditions and colors.  Normally it will produce everywhere.  For whatever reason you have developed a confidence color, that is the color you need to throw.  I have serious fishing friends who all fish Yamamoto pretty religiously and every one of them has a different confidence color.   It's my personal opinion that Yamamoto's 297 works in the biggest number of water colors and conditions.  Can you refine the color selection to the current conditions and do better than the 297.  You bet ......but most want a universal color that will work in the biggest number of situations.  

I think you and most other's are spot on. I believe at some point in time (to many years to actually put my finger on it), I've had a really good fishing day using Watermelon Red & gained confidence in it. I would say it had something to do with when i was a boy, my father only used two colors. All i ever saw him fish with was a Watermelon Red & Tequila Sunrise Berkley Powerbait 7" Worms & he had tremendous success with those.

I am determined though to stick with GP for those off colored waters and cloudy overcast days.

[Munkin]

Almost forgot about the Spots! For some reason the spotted bass liked the non-natural colored baits. That tequila sunrise color just slayed them.

 

Allen

[Comfortably Numb]

Color doesn't matter.

[Sam]

8 hours ago, reason said:

Wait, the Zoom factory is near Richmond? How did I miss this?....

No, but the distribution center is near Richmond.

 

They were the first distributors of Zoom products when Zoom started its business.

 

Check out the Virginia Guide catalogs and you will see all of the products they carry.

 

It is like going to a candy store.

 

No idea where you are located but if you get to Richmond you have to make it one of your stops.

[Troy85]

Watermelon/Red Flake is my go to color in the green category.  I don't have as much luck with green pumpkin.

[evilcatfish]

On 1/13/2019 at 8:08 PM, MO_TightLines said:

Aright guys, I’m making this my first post after my introduction. 

So I am mainly a soft plastics guy and keep it pretty simple. I always feel it helpful to let everyone know the types of water we fish to be better informed. I live in the heart of the Ozarks so I fish both lakes and rivers. Lake of the Ozarks, Stockton, Pomme De Terre, Table Rock etc...

Rivers such as The Gasconade, The Meramec, The Current, Jacks Fork & The Buffalo, etc...

So with that brief understanding of my home waters; here’s my dilemma. I’ve never really had success with straight up Green Pumpkin. After a couple hours of tossing it, I always find myself switching to Watermelon Red and generally start catching fish. I think I may be the only guy on earth who doesn’t have success with GP. I refuse to abandon it as I know it must be a staple.

So my question to you all and the wealth of knowledge here is this; is their a GP Variant that may work, (moreso for my confidence probably).

Thank You all in advance.

I fish a lot of the same waters you do, and while I do like original green pumpkin, I've found the following variants to get some action in our area: GP candy, GP purple, okeechobee craw, gp black/blue, roadkill and roadkill blue. Of course, these are general names and some companies will have their own name for each.