Small Ratio Reels

[fishwizzard]

1 hour ago, WRB said:

I measured my 100 size baitcasting reel IPT full of 12 lb FC  @ 26" and after casting 50 yards @16", the gear ratio was 6.3:1. My 8:1 gear ratio size 100 was 33" full and after casting 50 yards dropped to 20". 

I don't think I cast any where near 50y with any presentation I normally throw.   I did a test on one of my reels, a Daiwa sv103 with a 34mm spool.

 

 

I have the reel spooled with 40lb PP braid;

 

Again we run into the issue of manufactures just listing "14lb Mono" without giving diameter.  Ande IFGA Mono does not come in 14lb, only 16lb and 12lb, but the 12lb is .325 mm, so we can assume that 40lb PP is a little thinner then the ideal 14lb mono.  

 

With the spool filled up to bottom of the lip I am getting ~26" ITP, give or take 1/2" on each side as I used a fat marker to mark the line.  I then pulled off line to the half-way mark Daiwa puts on their spools. I tend to fill my spools to this mark with backer and the rest with mainline.  When I measured again I was getting around ~22" ITP.  So not a huge difference.  

 

In interestingly, when I mentioned noticing a slow down in retrieve speed was over the summer, when I had the same reel spooled up with 65lb Sufix 832.  

 

Now in that case, we are in between Ande IFGA 16lb at .375mm and Ande IFGA 20lb at .425mm.  I believe I spooled the Suffix to fill the entire spool and while I never spooled it on a cast, I believe that I was casting off more then half of the spool, but was honestly not paying close attention.  I do have a 1016 spool filled with .40mm mono that I will run the same test on in a bit.  

 

 

 

 

[WRB]

The line I used on my baitcasting reel's was Sunline 12FC @ .29 mm / .011D and Nylon 11lb @ .27 mm/.011D round off to nearest .001. That is close to 30 lb braid.

Full spool to me is function @ 1/16" ( about the thickness of a penny) below the rim.

I also measure the distance using a steel tape measure, fairly accurate.

My average horizontal jig cast is around 40 yds, occasionally need to cast 50 yds. 7/16 oz jig with trailer is close to 5/8 oz.

Tom

[fishwizzard]

9 minutes ago, WRB said:

My average horizontal jig cast is around 40 yds, occasionally need to cast 50 yds. 7/16 oz jig with trailer is close to 5/8 oz.

Tom

I have a 300' tape and some tomato stakes, I am going to mark some distances in the field behind my house.  I have a feeling that I am not making very long casts at all.  

[WRB]

40 minutes ago, fishwizzard said:

I have a 300' tape and some tomato stakes, I am going to mark some distances in the field behind my house.  I have a feeling that I am not making very long casts at all.  

Football field is ideal, may be too cold now to make long cast!

Tom

[QUAKEnSHAKE]

3 hours ago, GeekFisher said:

A Little off topic but would a shallow spool mitigate those longer casts effect on ipt ? It might requires thiner line to achieve same distance though?

 Not necessarily. If the spools are the same o.d. and width just one shallower than the other and both throw the same distance say 140 feet with .010" line the IPT wont change between deep or shallow spool. Even if the max line capacity is 140 on the shallow vs 250 on the deep. 

 

For casting reels

Ill add there may be a change in casting characterics being the shallow spool might be lighter than the deep, but IPT no change.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[WRB]

A shallow spool has a larger diameter ardor requiring less line to fill it. The distance from the rim of the spool to the end of the line after casting is the same. The advantage of a shallow baitcasting spool is a lighter weight, no advantage with spinning reels.

The Daiwa TD SS 1500 spinning spool is shallow and long, plus tapered so the line falls off easier. Like the US Reel both designs were trying to improve the casting distance with spinning reels.

 

[Paul Roberts]

On 1/3/2019 at 5:12 PM, fishwizzard said:

I don't think I cast any where near 50y with any presentation I normally throw.   I did a test on one of my reels, a Daiwa sv103 with a 34mm spool.

 

 

I have the reel spooled with 40lb PP braid;

 

Again we run into the issue of manufactures just listing "14lb Mono" without giving diameter.  Ande IFGA Mono does not come in 14lb, only 16lb and 12lb, but the 12lb is .325 mm, so we can assume that 40lb PP is a little thinner then the ideal 14lb mono.  

 

With the spool filled up to bottom of the lip I am getting ~26" ITP, give or take 1/2" on each side as I used a fat marker to mark the line.  I then pulled off line to the half-way mark Daiwa puts on their spools. I tend to fill my spools to this mark with backer and the rest with mainline.  When I measured again I was getting around ~22" ITP.  So not a huge difference.  

 

In interestingly, when I mentioned noticing a slow down in retrieve speed was over the summer, when I had the same reel spooled up with 65lb Sufix 832.  

 

Now in that case, we are in between Ande IFGA 16lb at .375mm and Ande IFGA 20lb at .425mm.  I believe I spooled the Suffix to fill the entire spool and while I never spooled it on a cast, I believe that I was casting off more then half of the spool, but was honestly not paying close attention.  I do have a 1016 spool filled with .40mm mono that I will run the same test on in a bit.  

 

 

 

 

This kind of work is the way to really know. Thanks for taking the time to share this. Another way is to know what works when you're fishing. But that can get expensive! Been there. So, when I compare reels, I look at IPT over gear ratio.

 

And when comparing lines, I'm looking at diameter over "break strength". Ditto on that.

 

Another thing, braid and monos behave differently on a cast. Not sure exactly how it all falls out though. Braid is lighter so it will cause less drag in the air. It is also softer, which makes it more frictionless than more "wiry" mono's. However braid's softness (and texture) can also be more affected by wind when there's a lot of it out there on a cast. Dunno how these factors stack up. I'm sure the distance tournament casters have this all worked out.

[Team9nine]

14 minutes ago, Paul Roberts said:

This kind of work is the way to really know. Thanks for taking the time to share this. Another way is to know what works when you're fishing. But that can get expensive! Been there. So, when I compare reels, I look at IPT over gear ratio.

 

And when comparing lines, I'm looking at diameter over "break strength". Ditto on that.

 

Another thing, braid and monos behave differently on a cast. Not sure exactly how it all falls out though. Braid is lighter so it will cause less drag in the air. It is also softer, which makes it more frictionless than more "wiry" mono's. However braid's softness (and texture) can also be more affected by wind when there's a lot of it out there on a cast. Dunno how these factors stack up. I'm sure the distance tournament casters have this all worked out.

Taking tournament casting out of the equation and just doing normal everyday casting, braid casts farther on spinning; sometimes much further. Since I almost never use braid on baitcasters, I can't say for sure there. Other factors come into play like revolving spools/bearings and such, so my guess is that things would be much closer in general because it's not just line and a lure involved.

[Paul Roberts]

2 hours ago, Team9nine said:

Taking tournament casting out of the equation and just doing normal everyday casting, braid casts farther on spinning; sometimes much further. Since I almost never use braid on baitcasters, I can't say for sure there. Other factors come into play like revolving spools/bearings and such, so my guess is that things would be much closer in general because it's not just line and a lure involved.

That's my thinking too. Yes, braid on spinning is a huge advantage distance-wise, in large part bc, once that weight is flying, it has little weight to pull behind it.

 

But casting gear is different, as you mention. I do use braid on casting gear and feel I don't see much difference in distance. I have noticed that fill height can matter with braid, more so than with mono. The softness of it doesn't seem to slip out of the reel cage/line guide as smoothly as mono does. Only an issue when over-filled on some reels, which I've discovered. With braid, I'm sure to check the clearance when spooling up.